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It’s absolutely terrifying. What they did to Kilmar Abrego Garcia could happen to anyone, US citizen or not. They have admitted be was rendered to a gulag accid

It’s absolutely terrifying. What they did to Kilmar Abrego Garcia could happen to anyone, US citizen or not. They have admitted be was rendered to a gulag accidentally but are also saying that now that he’s there, there’s nothing they can do to bring him back, and that no US court has jurisdiction. They just vanished him into a legal black hole and he has very likely been tortured and abused. That legal black hole would work whether you’re a citizen or not. If they have the power to do it to him, they have the power to do it to anyone. According to the “justice” minister of El Salvador, the only way out of that prison is in a coffin. What has happened here should be a five alarm emergency for every person in America. When the president can make you disappear, you are now living in Chile in 1973.

wormlord 2y ago
The problem is a large portion of Americans are either ignorant or chauvinists who don't know what happened in Chile in 1973, or anything about history/politics at all for that matter.
- trilbyglens 2y ago
  Exactly this. The bill has now come due for our far from enviable education system. We have incurred an unbelievable amount of cultural debt and now the bill is coming due.
int_19h 2y ago
Not only that, but citizens have been mistakenly deported before. For example: https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/us-citizen-wrongfully-deported-mexico-settles-his-case-against-federal-government https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/us-citizen-wrong... Now picture how this would work out with this admin...
lenkite 2y ago
Why is HN suddenly in favour of an illegant immigrant and domestic abuser who punched his wife and who had taken a protective order against him ? The guy is also now sipping margaritas in a restaurant with Senator Van Hollen as was clearly seen in the Senators own post just some hours ago. The only alarm emergency is the hand-wringing hysteria.
- corinroyal 2y ago
  hand-wringing
- cultofmetatron 2y ago
  > Why is HN suddenly in favour of an illegant immigrant and domestic abuser who punched his wife and who had taken a protective order against him ? whatever allegations against him are irrelevant. This is a FREE country whole society is predicated on rule of law. you cannot have liberty and law & order without DUE Process. That he didn't get that is the issue REGARDLESS of his citizenship status or prior crimes. Its not complicated
  - lenkite 2y ago
    Confirmed crimes are not allegations. He entered the USA illegally - without "due process". He is a member of a foreign terrorist organization. He was even arrested in the company of MS-13 gang members with long criminal records. If you are talking about rule of law and "due process", you must honestly bow and congratulate the now effective immigration law-enforcement. Finally "due process" is being followed, after 4 years of being asleep at the wheel, not enforcing federal law, deliberately breaking formal oaths of service and mockingly lying to Congress under oath. Elizabeth Kessler - the immigration judge declared in charge of his case declared that this man's release in the USA would endanger the public since "evidence shows that he is a verified member of MS-13.". Hell, even an appeals court later affirmed the judge's decision. A violent gang member was deported to his nation of origin following the ruling made by an immigration judge and even subsequent appeal. The executive branch of the US government then performed according to mandate and deported him accordingly. Due process was followed. Its not complicated.
    - cultofmetatron 2y ago
      > He entered the USA illegally - without "due process". a judge put him on a DO NOT DEPORT order. whatever his means of initially entering the united states was, he obtained. LEGAL status. > "evidence shows that he is a verified member of MS-13." was there a TRIAL where this "evidence" was presented and deliberated? until that happens, I can't support incarcerating this man, to say nothing of sending him to a foreign gulag. > Finally "due process" is being followed, after 4 years of being asleep at the wheel No, the due process in place was a system by which someone who is here illegally could gain legal status. thats what harm reduction looks like. The due process you're talking about would have had him deported to another country. Not sent to a death camp. There was no legislation for sending people to a life sentence for merely being associated with ms 13. > Its not complicated. you're right, its not. Yet you're really not gettin this.

wormlord 2y ago

The problem is a large portion of Americans are either ignorant or chauvinists who don't know what happened in Chile in 1973, or anything about history/politics at all for that matter.

trilbyglens 2y ago
Exactly this. The bill has now come due for our far from enviable education system. We have incurred an unbelievable amount of cultural debt and now the bill is coming due.

int_19h 2y ago

Not only that, but citizens have been mistakenly deported before. For example: https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/us-citizen-wrongfully-deported-mexico-settles-his-case-against-federal-government https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/us-citizen-wrong... Now picture how this would work out with this admin...

lenkite 2y ago

Why is HN suddenly in favour of an illegant immigrant and domestic abuser who punched his wife and who had taken a protective order against him ? The guy is also now sipping margaritas in a restaurant with Senator Van Hollen as was clearly seen in the Senators own post just some hours ago. The only alarm emergency is the hand-wringing hysteria.

corinroyal 2y ago
hand-wringing
cultofmetatron 2y ago
> Why is HN suddenly in favour of an illegant immigrant and domestic abuser who punched his wife and who had taken a protective order against him ? whatever allegations against him are irrelevant. This is a FREE country whole society is predicated on rule of law. you cannot have liberty and law & order without DUE Process. That he didn't get that is the issue REGARDLESS of his citizenship status or prior crimes. Its not complicated
- lenkite 2y ago
  Confirmed crimes are not allegations. He entered the USA illegally - without "due process". He is a member of a foreign terrorist organization. He was even arrested in the company of MS-13 gang members with long criminal records. If you are talking about rule of law and "due process", you must honestly bow and congratulate the now effective immigration law-enforcement. Finally "due process" is being followed, after 4 years of being asleep at the wheel, not enforcing federal law, deliberately breaking formal oaths of service and mockingly lying to Congress under oath. Elizabeth Kessler - the immigration judge declared in charge of his case declared that this man's release in the USA would endanger the public since "evidence shows that he is a verified member of MS-13.". Hell, even an appeals court later affirmed the judge's decision. A violent gang member was deported to his nation of origin following the ruling made by an immigration judge and even subsequent appeal. The executive branch of the US government then performed according to mandate and deported him accordingly. Due process was followed. Its not complicated.
  - cultofmetatron 2y ago
    > He entered the USA illegally - without "due process". a judge put him on a DO NOT DEPORT order. whatever his means of initially entering the united states was, he obtained. LEGAL status. > "evidence shows that he is a verified member of MS-13." was there a TRIAL where this "evidence" was presented and deliberated? until that happens, I can't support incarcerating this man, to say nothing of sending him to a foreign gulag. > Finally "due process" is being followed, after 4 years of being asleep at the wheel No, the due process in place was a system by which someone who is here illegally could gain legal status. thats what harm reduction looks like. The due process you're talking about would have had him deported to another country. Not sent to a death camp. There was no legislation for sending people to a life sentence for merely being associated with ms 13. > Its not complicated. you're right, its not. Yet you're really not gettin this.