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Don't throw away the baby with the bathwater (I live in the EU but hold on a minute...) _this_ part doesn't work. Not "nothing works anymore". Perhaps there is
by HenryBemis 1y ago
Don't throw away the baby with the bathwater (I live in the EU but hold on a minute...)
_this_ part doesn't work. Not "nothing works anymore". Perhaps there is a special court/system/subsystem that has authority for these cases. Just like Military has its own courts, and they don't try civilians, perhaps for such cases there is a "migration court" (or something-something...)
Unless there isn't in which case, damn those ICE folks are cold!!
- runako 1y agoNo, ICE is Immigration and Customs Enforcement. They do not have any authority at all over US citizens who are not engaged in crossing an international border. Additionally, the current position of the US government is that they should have been able to put this person it a torture prison in El Salvador without him ever seeing a judge.
- ndsipa_pomu 1y agoIsn't it more of a concentration camp than a torture prison?
- ModernMech 1y agoWhat do you believe the distinction is?
- ndsipa_pomu 1y agoA concentration camp is a facility where individuals are detained without legal process, often based on their ethnicity or political beliefs, and typically under harsh conditions. In contrast, a prison is a legal institution where individuals are held after being convicted of a crime, following a judicial process.
- ModernMech 1y agoLet me rephrase: what do you believe the distinction is between a concentration camp and a torture prison?
- ndsipa_pomu 1y agoThe judicial process.
- ModernMech 1y agoMy feeling based on the terseness of your reply is that you don't really want to support what you had said initially because there's no real difference or distinction to be made between a concentration camp, and a torture prison.
- wormlord 1y agoMaybe if you don't know anything then don't comment.
- AlecSchueler 1y agoThen how do we learn?
- wormlord 1y agoAsk and don't tell people not to be concerned about their own government systems that you know nothing about.
- int_19h 1y agoThere is indeed a special immigration court system, but there's a catch. Those courts are "administrative courts", meaning that they are formally part of the executive, not the judiciary, and judges are also executive appointees. So they operate under rules that are themselves written by ICE, and with this admin's insistence on "unitary executive" theory, are entirely subject to the whims of the president. To give you one example of how bad it already was before Trump, these are the same courts where 3-year old children who don't know English were required to argue their case before the judge by themselves, without a lawyer: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/children-immigration-court-deportation-attorney/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/children-immigration-court... So it was already a sham as far as due process go. But now the executive says that they aren't obligated to give people a hearing at all. And anyone working for ICE is a willing enforcer for this system. They should be treated accordingly.
- ModernMech 1y ago> "To give you one example of how bad it already was before Trump" That was during Trump's first term. Going in to this, we already saw how bad he was, so we should have expected worse this time. That's part of the reason this second term has a depravity multiplier. We knew, and chose him anyway.
- int_19h 1y agoThe whole "children in courts without representation" does in fact predate even the Trump's first term. It certainly got much worse under him, but I hope that people will look at this beyond just the man and realize how well and truly fucked up the US immigration system has been for decades.