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So you're acknowledging that the best way to make a population powerless and then rob them blind is Communism?

shadowgovt 1y ago
I don't know, capitalism seems to be doing a pretty good job of it right now. I'd have to see some hard numbers on efficacy. Has anyone done a normalized any% speedrun to breadlines on these two fierce contenders? Can monarchy get in on this?
- milesrout 1y ago
  We are wealthier than we have ever been so I fail to see how capitalism has made us poor. Poor compared to what? The past when we were poorer?
  - shadowgovt 1y ago
    You can hide a lot of bad experiences behind averaging over 300+ million people. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/01/09/trends-... ... And, to be blunt, if things are better than ever, why is the US sliding straight into fascism?
    - astrange 1y ago
      Mostly because of covid trauma causing people to forget who was president in 2020.
    - milesrout 1y ago
      It isn't. Just like it wasn't sliding into fascism under Reagan, or Bush, or Clinton, or Bush 2, or Trump the first time, even though all the same people claimed that at the time.
      - shadowgovt 1y ago
        Oh, good. I must have misunderstood the whole "disappeared to an El Salvadoran prison without due process" story. ... And you've gotten very close to the point without touching it. The country has been sliding, this whole time. Reagan arguably started the ball rolling. It just takes a long time to break down the democratic norms in a country this big. But they're broken down now.
        milesrout 1y ago
        You did misunderstand it. Applying the law of the land as it has stood and been applied for hundreds of years isn't fascist. If anyone thought the Alien Enemies Act were fascist they could have repealed it at any time since the 18th century. Nobody is being "disappeared". The word you are looking for is "deported". Deportation isn't a new idea or a new thing. >The country has been sliding, this whole time. Reagan arguably started the ball rolling. No it hasn't. The US became freer under all of those presidents, except George W. Bush and his surveillance programmes. None of them are fascists. In no case did the country end up closer to fascism after they were in. The US is nowhere near fascism. The fact anyone thinks it is near it is just more evidence of how uneducated Americans are about the rest of the world. Trump hasn't damaged or broken down any "democratic norms". Yeah he claimed his election loss was illegitimate. So did Hilary Clinton! (It was all just a Russian hoax remember? Trump is a Russian agent--all the debunked Russiagate claims). It isn't like he started a civil war over it, unless you're one of those people that believes the absurd propaganda that claims he instigated an attempted coup by giving a speech where he didn't tell anyone to do anything, suggest anyone do anything, or or in any other way encourage or instigate anything. I'm sorry your preferred candidate lost. I get it. It happens to us all. It isn't the end of the world. Presidents are allowed to act in accordance with the law--including their own stretched interpretations of it until they get kicked back by the courts--and that includes all the things Trump is being accused of.
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mystified5016 1y ago
No, because we aren't even doing that the best way. Can't even fail successfully.
- timewizard 1y ago
  So real "capitalism devolved into communism" has never been tried before?
  - shadowgovt 1y ago
    We've watched communism devolve into capitalism. That's modern Russia. What are they up to these days?

I don't know, capitalism seems to be doing a pretty good job of it right now. I'd have to see some hard numbers on efficacy. Has anyone done a normalized any% speedrun to breadlines on these two fierce contenders? Can monarchy get in on this?

milesrout 1y ago
We are wealthier than we have ever been so I fail to see how capitalism has made us poor. Poor compared to what? The past when we were poorer?
- shadowgovt 1y ago
  You can hide a lot of bad experiences behind averaging over 300+ million people. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/01/09/trends-... ... And, to be blunt, if things are better than ever, why is the US sliding straight into fascism?
  - astrange 1y ago
    Mostly because of covid trauma causing people to forget who was president in 2020.
  - milesrout 1y ago
    It isn't. Just like it wasn't sliding into fascism under Reagan, or Bush, or Clinton, or Bush 2, or Trump the first time, even though all the same people claimed that at the time.
    - shadowgovt 1y ago
      Oh, good. I must have misunderstood the whole "disappeared to an El Salvadoran prison without due process" story. ... And you've gotten very close to the point without touching it. The country has been sliding, this whole time. Reagan arguably started the ball rolling. It just takes a long time to break down the democratic norms in a country this big. But they're broken down now.
      - milesrout 1y ago
        You did misunderstand it. Applying the law of the land as it has stood and been applied for hundreds of years isn't fascist. If anyone thought the Alien Enemies Act were fascist they could have repealed it at any time since the 18th century. Nobody is being "disappeared". The word you are looking for is "deported". Deportation isn't a new idea or a new thing. >The country has been sliding, this whole time. Reagan arguably started the ball rolling. No it hasn't. The US became freer under all of those presidents, except George W. Bush and his surveillance programmes. None of them are fascists. In no case did the country end up closer to fascism after they were in. The US is nowhere near fascism. The fact anyone thinks it is near it is just more evidence of how uneducated Americans are about the rest of the world. Trump hasn't damaged or broken down any "democratic norms". Yeah he claimed his election loss was illegitimate. So did Hilary Clinton! (It was all just a Russian hoax remember? Trump is a Russian agent--all the debunked Russiagate claims). It isn't like he started a civil war over it, unless you're one of those people that believes the absurd propaganda that claims he instigated an attempted coup by giving a speech where he didn't tell anyone to do anything, suggest anyone do anything, or or in any other way encourage or instigate anything. I'm sorry your preferred candidate lost. I get it. It happens to us all. It isn't the end of the world. Presidents are allowed to act in accordance with the law--including their own stretched interpretations of it until they get kicked back by the courts--and that includes all the things Trump is being accused of.
        computerthings 1y ago
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mystified5016 1y ago

No, because we aren't even doing that the best way. Can't even fail successfully.

timewizard 1y ago
So real "capitalism devolved into communism" has never been tried before?
- shadowgovt 1y ago
  We've watched communism devolve into capitalism. That's modern Russia. What are they up to these days?