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I Wouldnt be surprise if this story ends up getting flagged for being "too political." as a minority who was born in this country, I've had plenty of people te

I Wouldnt be surprise if this story ends up getting flagged for being "too political." as a minority who was born in this country, I've had plenty of people tell me not to worry because I'm a citizen. These kinds of things are going to happen more and more because there is a bureaucracy being created to enable this. I've had way too many conversations when he first started talking about this stuff. He was 1. "only going after violent criminals" 2. "only going after criminals" 3. "anyone here 'illegally' is. criminal" Now we have a hot mic about where he talks about sending out "home growns" to Auschwitz 2.0 down in el salvador. I'll say it bluntly... I'm scared. I'm personally waiting to get my passport renewed and then I'm bouncing out of here. The writing is on the wall. Its not safe here in America.

anonymars 2y ago
"First they came for the..." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came)
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ajross 2y ago
Flagged within minutes of making the front page, in fact.
pvg 2y ago
It's not for 'too political', it's that similar stories have recently had significant discussions.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  This is the first I've seen in the current dragnet that involved a US citizen.
  - pvg 2y ago
    It has happened before but also, each case has something that makes it different so HN's dupesense can't practically work on that basis.
  - m-hodges 2y ago
    2017: U.S. Citizen Held By ICE For 3 Years¹ 2019: US-Born Marine Veteran Detained By ICE Was Carrying His US Passport When He Was Arrested² ¹ https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/01/540903038/u-s-citizen-held-by-immigration-for-3-years-denied-compensation-by-appeals-court https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/01/540903038... ² https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/hamedaleaziz/us-born-marine-ice-detained-passport https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/hamedaleaziz/us-born-ma...
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      I'm not inclined to consider six years ago "recent" or "in the current dragnet".
      - pvg 2y ago
        https://www.newsweek.com/us-citizen-detained-canada-criminal-2060280 https://www.newsweek.com/us-citizen-detained-canada-criminal... is one just the other day but there have been several. But again, there have been a bunch of 'US Immigration authorities overreach' stories. The standard for breaking de-repetition can't be 'first I hear of it'. You can always mail the mods to make the case for a particular story if you think it's worth discussing on the front page.
        ceejayoz 2y ago
        Detained for five hours at the border seems deeply different than "presented a birth certificate to a judge after being arrested while driving through Florida". I've been detained for a few hours at the border due to a paperwork fuckup. It happens. This is... substantially worse than that.
adriand 2y ago
It’s absolutely terrifying. What they did to Kilmar Abrego Garcia could happen to anyone, US citizen or not. They have admitted be was rendered to a gulag accidentally but are also saying that now that he’s there, there’s nothing they can do to bring him back, and that no US court has jurisdiction. They just vanished him into a legal black hole and he has very likely been tortured and abused. That legal black hole would work whether you’re a citizen or not. If they have the power to do it to him, they have the power to do it to anyone. According to the “justice” minister of El Salvador, the only way out of that prison is in a coffin. What has happened here should be a five alarm emergency for every person in America. When the president can make you disappear, you are now living in Chile in 1973.
- wormlord 2y ago
  The problem is a large portion of Americans are either ignorant or chauvinists who don't know what happened in Chile in 1973, or anything about history/politics at all for that matter.
  - trilbyglens 2y ago
    Exactly this. The bill has now come due for our far from enviable education system. We have incurred an unbelievable amount of cultural debt and now the bill is coming due.
- int_19h 2y ago
  Not only that, but citizens have been mistakenly deported before. For example: https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/us-citizen-wrongfully-deported-mexico-settles-his-case-against-federal-government https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/us-citizen-wrong... Now picture how this would work out with this admin...
- lenkite 2y ago
  Why is HN suddenly in favour of an illegant immigrant and domestic abuser who punched his wife and who had taken a protective order against him ? The guy is also now sipping margaritas in a restaurant with Senator Van Hollen as was clearly seen in the Senators own post just some hours ago. The only alarm emergency is the hand-wringing hysteria.
intunderflow 2y ago
> Wouldnt be surprise if this story ends up getting flagged for being "too political." Appears your prediction was completely correct. No talking about the US government in a potentially negative way on the orange site, that's political.
airstrike 2y ago
It's not flagged for being too political. It's flagged for being off-topic _on this particular website_. It doesn't mean everyone shouldn't, can't, won't discuss it elsewhere. Do you dine at the laundromat or wash your dishes at the barbershop?
- watwut 2y ago
  Funny, homeschooling propaganda is never offtopic on this site. And the site was always full of politics. There is clear pattern of what is flagged and what is not with very clear political bias.
  - airstrike 2y ago
    I have no idea what you mean by "homeschooling propaganda". I've been here for decades and can't recall a single article about that making the front page, although I do concede I don't watch the front page 24/7. > There is clear pattern of what is flagged and what is not with very clear political bias. Consider the possibility that your biases about what is "worth discussing" are leading you to conclude there's a political bias in what gets flagged even though the flagging is very consistent with the site's stated guidelines.
- surgical_fire 2y ago
  Plenty of tech workers in the US are immigrants, or people born in the US from immigrant parents. If anything, that the US is going full Gestapo against that specific demographic is very much on topic here.
  - airstrike 2y ago
    That doesn't change the fact that it's off-topic per the guidelines. "Current events" type news are off-topic for HN, it's as simple as that.
    - surgical_fire 2y ago
      I fundamentally disagree. You can go cry to the powers that be if you want.
pabs3 2y ago
Are you sure they will let you leave? Or will they divert you to El Salvador instead?

anonymars 2y ago

"First they came for the..." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came)

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ajross 2y ago

Flagged within minutes of making the front page, in fact.

pvg 2y ago

It's not for 'too political', it's that similar stories have recently had significant discussions.

ceejayoz 2y ago
This is the first I've seen in the current dragnet that involved a US citizen.
- pvg 2y ago
  It has happened before but also, each case has something that makes it different so HN's dupesense can't practically work on that basis.
- m-hodges 2y ago
  2017: U.S. Citizen Held By ICE For 3 Years¹ 2019: US-Born Marine Veteran Detained By ICE Was Carrying His US Passport When He Was Arrested² ¹ https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/01/540903038/u-s-citizen-held-by-immigration-for-3-years-denied-compensation-by-appeals-court https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/01/540903038... ² https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/hamedaleaziz/us-born-marine-ice-detained-passport https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/hamedaleaziz/us-born-ma...
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    I'm not inclined to consider six years ago "recent" or "in the current dragnet".
    - pvg 2y ago
      https://www.newsweek.com/us-citizen-detained-canada-criminal-2060280 https://www.newsweek.com/us-citizen-detained-canada-criminal... is one just the other day but there have been several. But again, there have been a bunch of 'US Immigration authorities overreach' stories. The standard for breaking de-repetition can't be 'first I hear of it'. You can always mail the mods to make the case for a particular story if you think it's worth discussing on the front page.
      - ceejayoz 2y ago
        Detained for five hours at the border seems deeply different than "presented a birth certificate to a judge after being arrested while driving through Florida". I've been detained for a few hours at the border due to a paperwork fuckup. It happens. This is... substantially worse than that.

adriand 2y ago

It’s absolutely terrifying. What they did to Kilmar Abrego Garcia could happen to anyone, US citizen or not. They have admitted be was rendered to a gulag accidentally but are also saying that now that he’s there, there’s nothing they can do to bring him back, and that no US court has jurisdiction. They just vanished him into a legal black hole and he has very likely been tortured and abused. That legal black hole would work whether you’re a citizen or not. If they have the power to do it to him, they have the power to do it to anyone. According to the “justice” minister of El Salvador, the only way out of that prison is in a coffin. What has happened here should be a five alarm emergency for every person in America. When the president can make you disappear, you are now living in Chile in 1973.

wormlord 2y ago
The problem is a large portion of Americans are either ignorant or chauvinists who don't know what happened in Chile in 1973, or anything about history/politics at all for that matter.
- trilbyglens 2y ago
  Exactly this. The bill has now come due for our far from enviable education system. We have incurred an unbelievable amount of cultural debt and now the bill is coming due.
int_19h 2y ago
Not only that, but citizens have been mistakenly deported before. For example: https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/us-citizen-wrongfully-deported-mexico-settles-his-case-against-federal-government https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/us-citizen-wrong... Now picture how this would work out with this admin...
lenkite 2y ago
Why is HN suddenly in favour of an illegant immigrant and domestic abuser who punched his wife and who had taken a protective order against him ? The guy is also now sipping margaritas in a restaurant with Senator Van Hollen as was clearly seen in the Senators own post just some hours ago. The only alarm emergency is the hand-wringing hysteria.

intunderflow 2y ago

> Wouldnt be surprise if this story ends up getting flagged for being "too political." Appears your prediction was completely correct. No talking about the US government in a potentially negative way on the orange site, that's political.

airstrike 2y ago

It's not flagged for being too political. It's flagged for being off-topic _on this particular website_. It doesn't mean everyone shouldn't, can't, won't discuss it elsewhere. Do you dine at the laundromat or wash your dishes at the barbershop?

watwut 2y ago
Funny, homeschooling propaganda is never offtopic on this site. And the site was always full of politics. There is clear pattern of what is flagged and what is not with very clear political bias.
- airstrike 2y ago
  I have no idea what you mean by "homeschooling propaganda". I've been here for decades and can't recall a single article about that making the front page, although I do concede I don't watch the front page 24/7. > There is clear pattern of what is flagged and what is not with very clear political bias. Consider the possibility that your biases about what is "worth discussing" are leading you to conclude there's a political bias in what gets flagged even though the flagging is very consistent with the site's stated guidelines.
surgical_fire 2y ago
Plenty of tech workers in the US are immigrants, or people born in the US from immigrant parents. If anything, that the US is going full Gestapo against that specific demographic is very much on topic here.
- airstrike 2y ago
  That doesn't change the fact that it's off-topic per the guidelines. "Current events" type news are off-topic for HN, it's as simple as that.
  - surgical_fire 2y ago
    I fundamentally disagree. You can go cry to the powers that be if you want.

pabs3 2y ago

Are you sure they will let you leave? Or will they divert you to El Salvador instead?