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Why wouldn't you want people who successfully graduate from Harvard to stay in US and become citizens? If anything, it's the other countries that should be comp

Why wouldn't you want people who successfully graduate from Harvard to stay in US and become citizens? If anything, it's the other countries that should be complaining about brain drain.

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rayiner 2y ago
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- UncleMeat 2y ago
  "Only white people allowed to run things" is a take, I suppose.
  - rayiner 2y ago
    White people don't own Anglo-American culture.
    - UncleMeat 2y ago
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      - rayiner 2y ago
        Here is a non-Anglo explaining what the term means. https://www.facebook.com/share/v/169CpBxje3/?mibextid=wwXIfr https://www.facebook.com/share/v/169CpBxje3/?mibextid=wwXIfr
        UncleMeat 2y ago
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        rayiner 2y ago
        No thanks, I’ll continue to use the correct terminology for referring to the foundational culture and tradition of the United States. Nobody appointed you king of the historical revision commission.
        defrost 2y ago
        Scalia's "American Anglo common culture" that makes him feel right at home in England is just a subset of the many cultures within central north america that have coexisted under the US flag for many generations. It doesn't include the Chinese that brought rail to California, the multitudes of Latinos with ancestors under Viceroyalty of New Spain and elsewhere, the non Anglo Saxon Europeans that didn't ape the Anglo's after arriving at Ellis Island, etc.
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        rayiner 2y ago
        Correct. But those cultures are the cultures of specific groups and communities, while Anglo-American culture and tradition is the basis of the whole country.
        defrost 2y ago
        Excluding those groups that don't take on the whole cloth of "Anglo-American culture and tradition". "America" consists of a venn diagram that isn't covered in whole with WASP's .. hence the existence of non-Anglo Americans as multi generational components of the USofA.
- apercu 2y ago
  So basically feudalism because not very many poor people end up at Harvard.
  - rayiner 2y ago
    Feudalism is the very mentality that foreign elites bring to America from their home countries.
    - apercu 2y ago
      The administration in power in America also wants feudalism so maybe it's a perfect fit! /s
- mindslight 2y ago
  Just when I think the Kool-aid can't get any worse, there's a new level of peak brain damage - another dispatch from the backwards bizarro world where all of the extreme benefits of global power are just taken for granted and forgotten about, with the remaining dynamics framed in terms of being liability and injustice instead. In some sense the dynamic isn't surprising as it rhymes with how the left is often shouted down for criticizing while ignoring realpolitik, and maggots are coming from that place of self-centered entitlement cranked up to 11. It's still shocking though.
  - rayiner 2y ago
    The "brain damage" is your hope-beyond-experience view that humans from different cultures are fungible, or that they somehow become American in beliefs and attitudes the moment they step foot on U.S. soil, or that somehow culture doesn't matter to a country.
    - mindslight 2y ago
      Just because you can make up multiple straw men doesn't mean that I have to believe at least one of them. The point is that the entire framing is backwards - treating "American elites" (and "spots at Harvard", for that matter) as some fixed quantity to be preserved. It ignores the overarching soft power dynamic of foreign students going back to their home country while remaining with some cultural ties to the US. If foreign students want to then settle here and start climbing the US culture ladder to perhaps become part of "America's elites", that's a whole new process! And shamelessly professing aspects of their culture that go against American values will prevent them from climbing. Or at least I guess that was the case before they could find validation in the regressive anti-American maggot club.
      - rayiner 2y ago
        I’m struggling to figure out what I said that you disagree with. You’re talking about what happens if they go back. I’m talking about what happens if they stay here. Yes, I think America is pretty great and I want an elite that will perpetuate more of the same. You don’t have to agree. Which country’s culture would you rather import?

Why wouldn't you want people who successfully graduate from Harvard to stay in US and become citizens? If anything, it's the other countries that should be complaining about brain drain.

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UncleMeat 2y ago
"Only white people allowed to run things" is a take, I suppose.
- rayiner 2y ago
  White people don't own Anglo-American culture.
  - UncleMeat 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - rayiner 2y ago
      Here is a non-Anglo explaining what the term means. https://www.facebook.com/share/v/169CpBxje3/?mibextid=wwXIfr https://www.facebook.com/share/v/169CpBxje3/?mibextid=wwXIfr
      - UncleMeat 2y ago
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        rayiner 2y ago
        No thanks, I’ll continue to use the correct terminology for referring to the foundational culture and tradition of the United States. Nobody appointed you king of the historical revision commission.
      - defrost 2y ago
        Scalia's "American Anglo common culture" that makes him feel right at home in England is just a subset of the many cultures within central north america that have coexisted under the US flag for many generations. It doesn't include the Chinese that brought rail to California, the multitudes of Latinos with ancestors under Viceroyalty of New Spain and elsewhere, the non Anglo Saxon Europeans that didn't ape the Anglo's after arriving at Ellis Island, etc.
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        rayiner 2y ago
        Correct. But those cultures are the cultures of specific groups and communities, while Anglo-American culture and tradition is the basis of the whole country.
        defrost 2y ago
        Excluding those groups that don't take on the whole cloth of "Anglo-American culture and tradition". "America" consists of a venn diagram that isn't covered in whole with WASP's .. hence the existence of non-Anglo Americans as multi generational components of the USofA.
apercu 2y ago
So basically feudalism because not very many poor people end up at Harvard.
- rayiner 2y ago
  Feudalism is the very mentality that foreign elites bring to America from their home countries.
  - apercu 2y ago
    The administration in power in America also wants feudalism so maybe it's a perfect fit! /s
mindslight 2y ago
Just when I think the Kool-aid can't get any worse, there's a new level of peak brain damage - another dispatch from the backwards bizarro world where all of the extreme benefits of global power are just taken for granted and forgotten about, with the remaining dynamics framed in terms of being liability and injustice instead. In some sense the dynamic isn't surprising as it rhymes with how the left is often shouted down for criticizing while ignoring realpolitik, and maggots are coming from that place of self-centered entitlement cranked up to 11. It's still shocking though.
- rayiner 2y ago
  The "brain damage" is your hope-beyond-experience view that humans from different cultures are fungible, or that they somehow become American in beliefs and attitudes the moment they step foot on U.S. soil, or that somehow culture doesn't matter to a country.
  - mindslight 2y ago
    Just because you can make up multiple straw men doesn't mean that I have to believe at least one of them. The point is that the entire framing is backwards - treating "American elites" (and "spots at Harvard", for that matter) as some fixed quantity to be preserved. It ignores the overarching soft power dynamic of foreign students going back to their home country while remaining with some cultural ties to the US. If foreign students want to then settle here and start climbing the US culture ladder to perhaps become part of "America's elites", that's a whole new process! And shamelessly professing aspects of their culture that go against American values will prevent them from climbing. Or at least I guess that was the case before they could find validation in the regressive anti-American maggot club.
    - rayiner 2y ago
      I’m struggling to figure out what I said that you disagree with. You’re talking about what happens if they go back. I’m talking about what happens if they stay here. Yes, I think America is pretty great and I want an elite that will perpetuate more of the same. You don’t have to agree. Which country’s culture would you rather import?