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Who gets to decide what ostracization is good and what ostracization is bad?

foldr 1y ago
I don't think anyone decides that as such. Organizations and individuals decide who they do or don't want to associate with. If it turns out that very few people want to associate with you, then you've been ostracized. Your question is like asking "Who decides which people should be friends?", or "Who decides who should be popular?"
- Jensson 1y ago
  > Organizations and individuals decide who they do or don't want to associate with No they don't, there are laws against that, for example you can't decide to ostracize black people from your company, you will get sued for that.
  - foldr 1y ago
    Hmm? There are laws against some forms of discrimination, but organizations have freedom of association just as individuals do. For example, political affiliation is not a protected class, so (in some states and some contexts) it is perfectly legal for a private company to decline to hire someone on the basis of their political views.
temp0826 1y ago
And who would hold everyone in the group to that standard? How do you stop a lynch mob?
- Jensson 1y ago
  The police, that is how we stopped lynch mobs in the past.
sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
Thinking in terms of the US constitution and the laws built on top if it, ostracization by the government is forbidden and ostracization by private citizens and entities is not.
- Jensson 1y ago
  > ostracization by the government is forbidden and ostracization by private citizens and entities is not. So its fine to fire all black people to ostracize them? No, of course not, so no you are wrong here, there are more limitations than that, people have rights protecting them from a lot of ostracism.
  - sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
    Yes, there are some narrow carve-outs, to encourage ostracization on the basis of behavior rather than the basis of identity. This works because people can choose to not be jerks, but they can't choose to not be black.
    - naasking 1y ago
      > This works because people can choose to not be jerks, but they can't choose to not be black. What if they could? People can change gender identity nowadays, and it's not outside the realm of possibility that people could change their phenotypical characteristics (transracialism is a hotly debated topic).

I don't think anyone decides that as such. Organizations and individuals decide who they do or don't want to associate with. If it turns out that very few people want to associate with you, then you've been ostracized. Your question is like asking "Who decides which people should be friends?", or "Who decides who should be popular?"

Jensson 1y ago
> Organizations and individuals decide who they do or don't want to associate with No they don't, there are laws against that, for example you can't decide to ostracize black people from your company, you will get sued for that.
- foldr 1y ago
  Hmm? There are laws against some forms of discrimination, but organizations have freedom of association just as individuals do. For example, political affiliation is not a protected class, so (in some states and some contexts) it is perfectly legal for a private company to decline to hire someone on the basis of their political views.

temp0826 1y ago

And who would hold everyone in the group to that standard? How do you stop a lynch mob?

Jensson 1y ago
The police, that is how we stopped lynch mobs in the past.

sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago

Thinking in terms of the US constitution and the laws built on top if it, ostracization by the government is forbidden and ostracization by private citizens and entities is not.

Jensson 1y ago
> ostracization by the government is forbidden and ostracization by private citizens and entities is not. So its fine to fire all black people to ostracize them? No, of course not, so no you are wrong here, there are more limitations than that, people have rights protecting them from a lot of ostracism.
- sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
  Yes, there are some narrow carve-outs, to encourage ostracization on the basis of behavior rather than the basis of identity. This works because people can choose to not be jerks, but they can't choose to not be black.
  - naasking 1y ago
    > This works because people can choose to not be jerks, but they can't choose to not be black. What if they could? People can change gender identity nowadays, and it's not outside the realm of possibility that people could change their phenotypical characteristics (transracialism is a hotly debated topic).