4 ms·

Looks like this works on Chrome for Android, but Firefox doesn't seem to support HDR at all. https://bugzil.la/hdr https://bugzil.la/hdr Maybe some day.

by jchw 2y ago

lxgr 2y ago
Neither does Safari on macOS – which honestly seems like the correct behavior, given that this will inevitably be used by websites in user-hostile ways.
- lights0123 2y ago
  Safari only shows HDR in videos, not photos. It's possible to just show a single-frame video though.
  - lxgr 2y ago
    And I could see Safari changing its behavior to only allow HDR for actually playing videos (or even playing videos with actually varying content, if websites start playing clever games with one second loops of still images), or maybe only after confirming an "I am wearing sunglasses right now" prompt.
    - jchw 2y ago
      It looks like the current Safari developer preview supports it for images, according to the Mozilla bug.
    - zamadatix 2y ago
      If it were to become a real problem I'd sooner see Apple, of all vendors, leave it as one of the many settings flags in Safari than intentionally avoid or remove support for wide range media in their app. Related: there is also a CSS property coming which allows sites to control which page content should be clamped to standard range or not. Worst case you can just add an * !important override in your Safari->Preferences->Advanced->Style Sheet if nobody else considers it problematic but you still wanted to clamp things (in Safari, otherwise you can just disable HDR).
      - tshaddox 2y ago
        Why would we expect this to become more of a problem than, say, websites playing audio quietly to encourage you to turn your volume up, than playing extremely loud audio?
        zamadatix 2y ago
        Websites can't autoplay audio anymore (which is actually really annoying in a few use cases) precisely because of abuse. I don't think it'll be problematic though because a site can already choose to show you images a lot more bothersome than a bright light (I say this as I type on a 1600 nit HDR monitor) already and that's not a particularly common problem to worry about either. Same for videos, which already HDR support in browsers.
        tshaddox 2y ago
        > Websites can't autoplay audio anymore (which is actually really annoying in a few use cases) precisely because of abuse. But this is hardly true. There are some complicated heuristics (like Chrome's "Media Engagement Index") but many websites can and do autoplay video and audio. And browser policies are even more relaxed for playing audio on user events (like clicking).
        zamadatix 2y ago
        MEI (and the like) is what I'm referring to, though perhaps we look at this from different angles. Sites can still mark audio should autoplay but it's now up to the browser to decide if it actually does it (because shitty sites would abuse that).
      - lxgr 2y ago
        Apple is definitely not afraid to block otherwise widely available features behind flags or extra clicks. For example, Web Push is available on iOS only for "installed PWAs".
        2y ago
new_user_final 2y ago
So many people push for more browser engines yet Firefox can't implement HDR in 6 years.
- LoganDark 2y ago
  Wonder if Ladybird will ever support it. (Imagine HDR on SerenityOS!)
matsemann 2y ago
Feels like either Chrome or my android phone is cheating, because if I cover the hdr image with my finger and switch between Firefox and Chrome, the page background in Chrome is noticeable more grey than the one in Firefox.

Looks like this works on Chrome for Android, but Firefox doesn't seem to support HDR at all. https://bugzil.la/hdr https://bugzil.la/hdr Maybe some day.

by jchw 2y ago

Looks like this works on Chrome for Android, but Firefox doesn't seem to support HDR at all. https://bugzil.la/hdr https://bugzil.la/hdr Maybe some day.

lxgr 2y ago

Neither does Safari on macOS – which honestly seems like the correct behavior, given that this will inevitably be used by websites in user-hostile ways.

lights0123 2y ago
Safari only shows HDR in videos, not photos. It's possible to just show a single-frame video though.
- lxgr 2y ago
  And I could see Safari changing its behavior to only allow HDR for actually playing videos (or even playing videos with actually varying content, if websites start playing clever games with one second loops of still images), or maybe only after confirming an "I am wearing sunglasses right now" prompt.
  - jchw 2y ago
    It looks like the current Safari developer preview supports it for images, according to the Mozilla bug.
  - zamadatix 2y ago
    If it were to become a real problem I'd sooner see Apple, of all vendors, leave it as one of the many settings flags in Safari than intentionally avoid or remove support for wide range media in their app. Related: there is also a CSS property coming which allows sites to control which page content should be clamped to standard range or not. Worst case you can just add an * !important override in your Safari->Preferences->Advanced->Style Sheet if nobody else considers it problematic but you still wanted to clamp things (in Safari, otherwise you can just disable HDR).
    - tshaddox 2y ago
      Why would we expect this to become more of a problem than, say, websites playing audio quietly to encourage you to turn your volume up, than playing extremely loud audio?
      - zamadatix 2y ago
        Websites can't autoplay audio anymore (which is actually really annoying in a few use cases) precisely because of abuse. I don't think it'll be problematic though because a site can already choose to show you images a lot more bothersome than a bright light (I say this as I type on a 1600 nit HDR monitor) already and that's not a particularly common problem to worry about either. Same for videos, which already HDR support in browsers.
        tshaddox 2y ago
        > Websites can't autoplay audio anymore (which is actually really annoying in a few use cases) precisely because of abuse. But this is hardly true. There are some complicated heuristics (like Chrome's "Media Engagement Index") but many websites can and do autoplay video and audio. And browser policies are even more relaxed for playing audio on user events (like clicking).
        zamadatix 2y ago
        MEI (and the like) is what I'm referring to, though perhaps we look at this from different angles. Sites can still mark audio should autoplay but it's now up to the browser to decide if it actually does it (because shitty sites would abuse that).
    - lxgr 2y ago
      Apple is definitely not afraid to block otherwise widely available features behind flags or extra clicks. For example, Web Push is available on iOS only for "installed PWAs".
      - 2y ago

new_user_final 2y ago

So many people push for more browser engines yet Firefox can't implement HDR in 6 years.

LoganDark 2y ago
Wonder if Ladybird will ever support it. (Imagine HDR on SerenityOS!)

matsemann 2y ago

Feels like either Chrome or my android phone is cheating, because if I cover the hdr image with my finger and switch between Firefox and Chrome, the page background in Chrome is noticeable more grey than the one in Firefox.