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It doesn't appear to be random. I once made that offer to a woman who hardly knew me, joking not joking, and she took it as a compliment, as intended, but alas

It doesn't appear to be random. I once made that offer to a woman who hardly knew me, joking not joking, and she took it as a compliment, as intended, but alas she declined. I assume that my batting average would be better if I were very rich. Or if I had social skills. Or If I wasn't repulsive. But as I am socially retarded I'm not clear on when and why such an offer is not OK. I am willing to be educated. In terms of the golden rule it seems to pass validation, as I would be honored (and shocked) to be asked to father a child for a stranger.

fullshark 2y ago
It takes something that humans find genuine joy and fulfillment in (romance, building a home, bringing in a child) and cheapens it, likening it to something purely transactional. In this case: it's an offer purely for Musk's selfish goals with little consideration to the emotional and physical costs his broodmare will have to bear. It's asshole behavior.
bell-cot 2y ago
In a world where sexual and sex-adjacent male-on-female threats and violence are horribly common - you making that offer is a valid reason for a woman to view you as a threat. I'd suggest that you not make that offer in the future, nor any similar offers.
jfengel 2y ago
Allow me to explain why such an offer is not OK: all women have had at least one experience of turning down a man, and receiving threats, insults, or violence. That's especially true when the offer is explicitly sexual in an otherwise non-sexual context. You may know that you intended to take her declining with good humor, but she does not unless you are already a friend. Even if retaliation is not immediate, it may happen later. So the offer itself makes her apprehensive. Men are much less likely to be the target of that kind of assault by women, so you can be pleased with such an offer. But to give you a sense of it, would you be so pleased if the offer of sex came from a homosexual man? The analogy is imperfect, as all analogies are. You may be bisexual, and thrilled with an offer like that. But you can inquire with straight friends, many of whom would feel threatened to have an offer of sex from a male stranger.

fullshark 2y ago

It takes something that humans find genuine joy and fulfillment in (romance, building a home, bringing in a child) and cheapens it, likening it to something purely transactional. In this case: it's an offer purely for Musk's selfish goals with little consideration to the emotional and physical costs his broodmare will have to bear. It's asshole behavior.

bell-cot 2y ago

In a world where sexual and sex-adjacent male-on-female threats and violence are horribly common - you making that offer is a valid reason for a woman to view you as a threat. I'd suggest that you not make that offer in the future, nor any similar offers.

jfengel 2y ago

Allow me to explain why such an offer is not OK: all women have had at least one experience of turning down a man, and receiving threats, insults, or violence. That's especially true when the offer is explicitly sexual in an otherwise non-sexual context. You may know that you intended to take her declining with good humor, but she does not unless you are already a friend. Even if retaliation is not immediate, it may happen later. So the offer itself makes her apprehensive. Men are much less likely to be the target of that kind of assault by women, so you can be pleased with such an offer. But to give you a sense of it, would you be so pleased if the offer of sex came from a homosexual man? The analogy is imperfect, as all analogies are. You may be bisexual, and thrilled with an offer like that. But you can inquire with straight friends, many of whom would feel threatened to have an offer of sex from a male stranger.