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Could be a lot of fun creating and deploying adversarial bots to lure these things down rabbit holes.

constantcrying 2y ago
Do you want to explain to a judge that "it was just AI which made credible claims of commiting crimes"? Not my definition of fun.
- duxup 2y ago
  I don't disagree it would be unwise. But as a thought experiment it is very interesting.
  - constantcrying 2y ago
    Sure. I definitely think it would be interesting to see, nevertheless there is a risk of severe negative consequences.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  From outside the jurisdiction? Note how hard it is for the US to extradite global financial scammers, for example. "What does this GPU cluster do?" gestures at rack "Ah, it torments authoritarian AI vendors."
  - constantcrying 2y ago
    >From outside the jurisdiction? How sure are you that they do not cooperate with your local law enforcement already?
    - toomuchtodo 2y ago
      The number of countries friendly with the US diminishes by the day. (US citizen, have helped with standing up non profit infra outside the US to avoid US reach, both legally and technically)
      - constantcrying 2y ago
        Why would you risk your freedom over this. And the number of countries who would take a terrorism warning from the US seriously has not diminished at all. You are forgetting that it is a crime in your jurisdiction as well, so it will be pursued by your government. No extradition necessary to ruin your life.
        toomuchtodo 2y ago
        You've taken something from a fun thought exercise to "why are you executing on this!?" We're just having fun, but I encourage anyone to freely take the idea and run with it. The world is a big place. Note the concern you share, which shows how far we've slid towards said authoritarianism. If you're afraid to even talk about it, the damage done is evident. Fear is a feeling, danger is objective.
        constantcrying 2y ago
        But this fun thought exercise is also commiting a crime. That should be pointed out. >Note the concern you share, which shows how far we've slid towards said authoritarianism. Authoritarianism? This is about people saying they will commit acts of terrorism. I absolutely think people should be critical of this type of police work, but if someone makes credible threats of commiting acts of terrorism they should obviously be taken in by police.
        toomuchtodo 2y ago
        You are mistaken. Talking about it is not a crime, and if you believe having an AI honeypot another AI is, please provide legal citations or a legal opinion. This is no different than generating adversarial text programmatically to trap a bot, as there is no intent. No one is suggesting terrorism, only poisoning chatbots. Of course, if honeypot chatbots are outlawed, only outlaws will have them. Interesting times ahead, for sure.
        2y ago
  - Y_Y 2y ago
    Sounds like Woodie Guthrie's guitar
    - deleted 2y ago
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Do you want to explain to a judge that "it was just AI which made credible claims of commiting crimes"? Not my definition of fun.

duxup 2y ago
I don't disagree it would be unwise. But as a thought experiment it is very interesting.
- constantcrying 2y ago
  Sure. I definitely think it would be interesting to see, nevertheless there is a risk of severe negative consequences.
toomuchtodo 2y ago
From outside the jurisdiction? Note how hard it is for the US to extradite global financial scammers, for example. "What does this GPU cluster do?" gestures at rack "Ah, it torments authoritarian AI vendors."
- constantcrying 2y ago
  >From outside the jurisdiction? How sure are you that they do not cooperate with your local law enforcement already?
  - toomuchtodo 2y ago
    The number of countries friendly with the US diminishes by the day. (US citizen, have helped with standing up non profit infra outside the US to avoid US reach, both legally and technically)
    - constantcrying 2y ago
      Why would you risk your freedom over this. And the number of countries who would take a terrorism warning from the US seriously has not diminished at all. You are forgetting that it is a crime in your jurisdiction as well, so it will be pursued by your government. No extradition necessary to ruin your life.
      - toomuchtodo 2y ago
        You've taken something from a fun thought exercise to "why are you executing on this!?" We're just having fun, but I encourage anyone to freely take the idea and run with it. The world is a big place. Note the concern you share, which shows how far we've slid towards said authoritarianism. If you're afraid to even talk about it, the damage done is evident. Fear is a feeling, danger is objective.
        constantcrying 2y ago
        But this fun thought exercise is also commiting a crime. That should be pointed out. >Note the concern you share, which shows how far we've slid towards said authoritarianism. Authoritarianism? This is about people saying they will commit acts of terrorism. I absolutely think people should be critical of this type of police work, but if someone makes credible threats of commiting acts of terrorism they should obviously be taken in by police.
        toomuchtodo 2y ago
        You are mistaken. Talking about it is not a crime, and if you believe having an AI honeypot another AI is, please provide legal citations or a legal opinion. This is no different than generating adversarial text programmatically to trap a bot, as there is no intent. No one is suggesting terrorism, only poisoning chatbots. Of course, if honeypot chatbots are outlawed, only outlaws will have them. Interesting times ahead, for sure.
        2y ago
- Y_Y 2y ago
  Sounds like Woodie Guthrie's guitar
  - deleted 2y ago
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