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I wonder what happens when bots find other suspects are bots ... deploy more bots? More security? Not unlike the situation where undercover cops ended up surv

by duxup 2y ago

I wonder what happens when bots find other suspects are bots ... deploy more bots? More security? Not unlike the situation where undercover cops ended up surveilling other undercover cops... https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/oct/28/secrets-and-lies-untangling-the-uk-spy-cops-scandal?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/oct/28/secrets-and-...

drcongo 2y ago
Could be a lot of fun creating and deploying adversarial bots to lure these things down rabbit holes.
- constantcrying 2y ago
  Do you want to explain to a judge that "it was just AI which made credible claims of commiting crimes"? Not my definition of fun.
  - duxup 2y ago
    I don't disagree it would be unwise. But as a thought experiment it is very interesting.
    - constantcrying 2y ago
      Sure. I definitely think it would be interesting to see, nevertheless there is a risk of severe negative consequences.
  - toomuchtodo 2y ago
    From outside the jurisdiction? Note how hard it is for the US to extradite global financial scammers, for example. "What does this GPU cluster do?" gestures at rack "Ah, it torments authoritarian AI vendors."
    - constantcrying 2y ago
      >From outside the jurisdiction? How sure are you that they do not cooperate with your local law enforcement already?
      - toomuchtodo 2y ago
        The number of countries friendly with the US diminishes by the day. (US citizen, have helped with standing up non profit infra outside the US to avoid US reach, both legally and technically)
        constantcrying 2y ago
        Why would you risk your freedom over this. And the number of countries who would take a terrorism warning from the US seriously has not diminished at all. You are forgetting that it is a crime in your jurisdiction as well, so it will be pursued by your government. No extradition necessary to ruin your life.
        toomuchtodo 2y ago
        You've taken something from a fun thought exercise to "why are you executing on this!?" We're just having fun, but I encourage anyone to freely take the idea and run with it. The world is a big place. Note the concern you share, which shows how far we've slid towards said authoritarianism. If you're afraid to even talk about it, the damage done is evident. Fear is a feeling, danger is objective.
        constantcrying 2y ago
        But this fun thought exercise is also commiting a crime. That should be pointed out. >Note the concern you share, which shows how far we've slid towards said authoritarianism. Authoritarianism? This is about people saying they will commit acts of terrorism. I absolutely think people should be critical of this type of police work, but if someone makes credible threats of commiting acts of terrorism they should obviously be taken in by police.
AStonesThrow 2y ago
Mr. Anderson vs. Mr Smith and Mr. Smith and Mr. Smith, et. al. https://youtu.be/poLPKdc-zTY?si=eRYs8-z0jN2JLsjq https://youtu.be/poLPKdc-zTY?si=eRYs8-z0jN2JLsjq
potato3732842 2y ago
There's less than zero incentive to prevent any of this because both agencies can use the make-work to justify their budgets and the vendors make out like bandits. And we all pay for it.
- duxup 2y ago
  With bots it seems even more automatic. Whole system could be just billed on "usage".
  - potato3732842 2y ago
    They'll never go for it because the plausibility of their "we're doing something" pretext is what justifies the entire racket. Paying them to go away wouldn't accomplish that goal.
gjsman-1000 2y ago
Then we end up in a real-world The Man Who Was Thursday… (Spoilers) The anarchist association has seven members, eventually the members discover there’s only one real anarchist and six policemen.
buzer 2y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlip7jZX9m0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlip7jZX9m0
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drcongo 2y ago

Could be a lot of fun creating and deploying adversarial bots to lure these things down rabbit holes.

constantcrying 2y ago
Do you want to explain to a judge that "it was just AI which made credible claims of commiting crimes"? Not my definition of fun.
- duxup 2y ago
  I don't disagree it would be unwise. But as a thought experiment it is very interesting.
  - constantcrying 2y ago
    Sure. I definitely think it would be interesting to see, nevertheless there is a risk of severe negative consequences.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  From outside the jurisdiction? Note how hard it is for the US to extradite global financial scammers, for example. "What does this GPU cluster do?" gestures at rack "Ah, it torments authoritarian AI vendors."
  - constantcrying 2y ago
    >From outside the jurisdiction? How sure are you that they do not cooperate with your local law enforcement already?
    - toomuchtodo 2y ago
      The number of countries friendly with the US diminishes by the day. (US citizen, have helped with standing up non profit infra outside the US to avoid US reach, both legally and technically)
      - constantcrying 2y ago
        Why would you risk your freedom over this. And the number of countries who would take a terrorism warning from the US seriously has not diminished at all. You are forgetting that it is a crime in your jurisdiction as well, so it will be pursued by your government. No extradition necessary to ruin your life.
        toomuchtodo 2y ago
        You've taken something from a fun thought exercise to "why are you executing on this!?" We're just having fun, but I encourage anyone to freely take the idea and run with it. The world is a big place. Note the concern you share, which shows how far we've slid towards said authoritarianism. If you're afraid to even talk about it, the damage done is evident. Fear is a feeling, danger is objective.
        constantcrying 2y ago
        But this fun thought exercise is also commiting a crime. That should be pointed out. >Note the concern you share, which shows how far we've slid towards said authoritarianism. Authoritarianism? This is about people saying they will commit acts of terrorism. I absolutely think people should be critical of this type of police work, but if someone makes credible threats of commiting acts of terrorism they should obviously be taken in by police.

AStonesThrow 2y ago

Mr. Anderson vs. Mr Smith and Mr. Smith and Mr. Smith, et. al. https://youtu.be/poLPKdc-zTY?si=eRYs8-z0jN2JLsjq https://youtu.be/poLPKdc-zTY?si=eRYs8-z0jN2JLsjq

potato3732842 2y ago

There's less than zero incentive to prevent any of this because both agencies can use the make-work to justify their budgets and the vendors make out like bandits. And we all pay for it.

duxup 2y ago
With bots it seems even more automatic. Whole system could be just billed on "usage".
- potato3732842 2y ago
  They'll never go for it because the plausibility of their "we're doing something" pretext is what justifies the entire racket. Paying them to go away wouldn't accomplish that goal.

gjsman-1000 2y ago

Then we end up in a real-world The Man Who Was Thursday… (Spoilers) The anarchist association has seven members, eventually the members discover there’s only one real anarchist and six policemen.

buzer 2y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlip7jZX9m0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlip7jZX9m0

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