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It's always been the case in protest movements that you need to be a little careful who you let into your planning circle, especially if they suggest you commit

by pjc50 2y ago

It's always been the case in protest movements that you need to be a little careful who you let into your planning circle, especially if they suggest you commit crimes. This goes double if it's someone you only know over the Internet.

EGreg 2y ago
Aw crap, someone beat me to it. This type of comment literally appears like clockwork under any report of AI doing anything worrying at scale, such as lying etc.
- diggan 2y ago
  > This type of comment literally appears like clockwork under any report of AI doing anything worrying at scale, such as lying etc Is this a criticism of said comment, or just being sad of not being first? It's good advice, and unrelated to AI. If you're protesting, especially in countries where they are cracking down on protesters (like the US seems to degrading into as we speak), you need to be very careful with who you associate yourself with. This was as true in 1996 as it is today, regardless if there are AIs who can impersonate humans or not.
af78 2y ago
I heard that saying too, “if a stranger tries to make you do something illegal, it's a cop” or something close to that. Isn't it the principle of a sting operation?
- tclancy 2y ago
  You just ask them if they’re a cop, they have to tell you.
  - AngryData 2y ago
    Cops can lie with impunity while in uniform, why would an undercover cop not lie to you?
  - abruzzi 2y ago
    no they dont. At least not in the US.
  - t-3 2y ago
    That's a myth purposely spread by cops in order to fool people. Even if it was true, unscrupulous cops looking for promotions would be breaking it like all the other rules they routinely ignore.
    - pixl97 2y ago
      >unscrupulous cops Just saying cops has the same meaning in less words.
  - lioeters 2y ago
    That's what they want you to believe.
  - tokai 2y ago
    The Onion shared a much better method the other day. Just make the suspected cop "peacefully deescalate a conflict". https://theonion.com/gang-initiate-forced-to-peacefully-deescalate-conflict-to-prove-he-not-a-cop/ https://theonion.com/gang-initiate-forced-to-peacefully-dees...
  - tclancy 2y ago
    Oh Lord, I apologize for being a person almost congenitally incapable of using /s. I had thought/ hoped the idea of an AI "cop" having to tell you it was a cop was ridiculous enough on its face, but it also occurs to me I am of a certain age where that was a very popular legend in the US and that doesn't apply to everyone. I accept the downvotes as appropriate!
dfedbeef 2y ago
Are you familiar with the concept of 'a chilling effect'
- pjc50 2y ago
  Yes, but could you explain how that applies here? Americans are probably not familiar with https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/29/what-is-spy-cops-report-about-public-inquiry-undercover-policing https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/29/what-is-spy-... but I think it's very relevant.
  - unethical_ban 2y ago
    It's an escalation. The concept isn't new, the tactic is more powerful.

by pjc50 2y ago

EGreg 2y ago

Aw crap, someone beat me to it. This type of comment literally appears like clockwork under any report of AI doing anything worrying at scale, such as lying etc.

diggan 2y ago
> This type of comment literally appears like clockwork under any report of AI doing anything worrying at scale, such as lying etc Is this a criticism of said comment, or just being sad of not being first? It's good advice, and unrelated to AI. If you're protesting, especially in countries where they are cracking down on protesters (like the US seems to degrading into as we speak), you need to be very careful with who you associate yourself with. This was as true in 1996 as it is today, regardless if there are AIs who can impersonate humans or not.

af78 2y ago

I heard that saying too, “if a stranger tries to make you do something illegal, it's a cop” or something close to that. Isn't it the principle of a sting operation?

tclancy 2y ago
You just ask them if they’re a cop, they have to tell you.
- AngryData 2y ago
  Cops can lie with impunity while in uniform, why would an undercover cop not lie to you?
- abruzzi 2y ago
  no they dont. At least not in the US.
- t-3 2y ago
  That's a myth purposely spread by cops in order to fool people. Even if it was true, unscrupulous cops looking for promotions would be breaking it like all the other rules they routinely ignore.
  - pixl97 2y ago
    >unscrupulous cops Just saying cops has the same meaning in less words.
- lioeters 2y ago
  That's what they want you to believe.
- tokai 2y ago
  The Onion shared a much better method the other day. Just make the suspected cop "peacefully deescalate a conflict". https://theonion.com/gang-initiate-forced-to-peacefully-deescalate-conflict-to-prove-he-not-a-cop/ https://theonion.com/gang-initiate-forced-to-peacefully-dees...
- tclancy 2y ago
  Oh Lord, I apologize for being a person almost congenitally incapable of using /s. I had thought/ hoped the idea of an AI "cop" having to tell you it was a cop was ridiculous enough on its face, but it also occurs to me I am of a certain age where that was a very popular legend in the US and that doesn't apply to everyone. I accept the downvotes as appropriate!

dfedbeef 2y ago

Are you familiar with the concept of 'a chilling effect'

pjc50 2y ago
Yes, but could you explain how that applies here? Americans are probably not familiar with https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/29/what-is-spy-cops-report-about-public-inquiry-undercover-policing https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/29/what-is-spy-... but I think it's very relevant.
- unethical_ban 2y ago
  It's an escalation. The concept isn't new, the tactic is more powerful.