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Take a look on historical numbers (https://usafacts.org/articles/what-can-the-data-tell-us-about-unauthorized-immigration/ https://usafacts.org/articles/what-ca

Take a look on historical numbers (https://usafacts.org/articles/what-can-the-data-tell-us-about-unauthorized-immigration/ https://usafacts.org/articles/what-can-the-data-tell-us-abou...). You’ll find out what was happening during Biden administration is what was happening on average in 90s and beginning of 2000s. Somehow you don’t label this as criminal act of Bush administration? Somehow it wasn’t as huge of a problem back then as it’s labeled now? Think about why? In fact it was during Obama times when illegal immigration got to the low levels. Don’t get me wrong, I do think Biden administration should’ve done better job at protecting the border. But the solution and fix for this isn’t abandoning due process rights and turning authoritarian. This solution is much much worse than problem at hands we have.

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The illegal migration under Bush was half of the levels of under Biden https://www.economist.com/content-assets/images/20240127_EPC149.png https://www.economist.com/content-assets/images/20240127_EPC... And yes, under Obama it got low, and that's great. He was called Deporter-in-Chief for a reason. > But the solution and fix for this isn’t abandoning due process rights and turning authoritarian Again, where were you with this "due process" when Biden manufactured this crime on a massive scale to create more dem voters? The process is pretty straightforward. You can't prove your legal status, you get deported. Sure, occasionally you will have some injustice when dealing with hundreds of thousands of criminals. None of that would've happened if Biden didn't manufacture this crime in the first place. It's all on him.
- boroboro4 1y ago
  I think government should follow laws. And it especially should follow constitution and protect rights of the people: - first of all the government shouldn't be able to send people to foreign gulag at all, period. I learnt that it's a gray area for (already) convicted people so far, but I think it's just plain wrong - however if government sends someone to foreign gulag it should be under proper due process (the one outlined for criminal cases). Don't confuse sending people to foreign gulag with deportation, it's not - deportation should be also happening only with due process, but this one can be relaxed, as it is right now - immigration judges exist separately from Article III courts The danger of what's happening right now is very clear, anyone (regardless to their citizenship) can be taken off the streets and send to foreign prison. This is mindblowingly bad, and nothing can justify that in lawful state. The government already (under Biden) was successfully deporting around 1M people a year. While it will take some time to go through the backlog and bring things back to normal, it doesn't require as dire actions as the current administration take. And the fact that Biden wave was comparable to historical ones does prove this successfully. Your claim about dem voters is obviously false - most of these people have 10s of years before they naturalize (if ever), and even after this both immigrants and latino voters tend to lean republican. Also being in the US illegally isn't a crime. So you calling these people hundreds of thousands of criminals is nothing but scapegoating. I disapprove Biden's handling of illegal immigration, but I also lived in authoritarian state. And living in a country where you afraid of the government, don't trust laws anymore and accept corruption is way worse than having some Mexican guy doing low income jobs in your city.
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The illegal migration under Bush was half of the levels of under Biden https://www.economist.com/content-assets/images/20240127_EPC149.png https://www.economist.com/content-assets/images/20240127_EPC... And yes, under Obama it got low, and that's great. He was called Deporter-in-Chief for a reason. > But the solution and fix for this isn’t abandoning due process rights and turning authoritarian Again, where were you with this "due process" when Biden manufactured this crime on a massive scale to create more dem voters? The process is pretty straightforward. You can't prove your legal status, you get deported. Sure, occasionally you will have some injustice when dealing with hundreds of thousands of criminals. None of that would've happened if Biden didn't manufacture this crime in the first place. It's all on him.

boroboro4 1y ago
I think government should follow laws. And it especially should follow constitution and protect rights of the people: - first of all the government shouldn't be able to send people to foreign gulag at all, period. I learnt that it's a gray area for (already) convicted people so far, but I think it's just plain wrong - however if government sends someone to foreign gulag it should be under proper due process (the one outlined for criminal cases). Don't confuse sending people to foreign gulag with deportation, it's not - deportation should be also happening only with due process, but this one can be relaxed, as it is right now - immigration judges exist separately from Article III courts The danger of what's happening right now is very clear, anyone (regardless to their citizenship) can be taken off the streets and send to foreign prison. This is mindblowingly bad, and nothing can justify that in lawful state. The government already (under Biden) was successfully deporting around 1M people a year. While it will take some time to go through the backlog and bring things back to normal, it doesn't require as dire actions as the current administration take. And the fact that Biden wave was comparable to historical ones does prove this successfully. Your claim about dem voters is obviously false - most of these people have 10s of years before they naturalize (if ever), and even after this both immigrants and latino voters tend to lean republican. Also being in the US illegally isn't a crime. So you calling these people hundreds of thousands of criminals is nothing but scapegoating. I disapprove Biden's handling of illegal immigration, but I also lived in authoritarian state. And living in a country where you afraid of the government, don't trust laws anymore and accept corruption is way worse than having some Mexican guy doing low income jobs in your city.
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