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I suspect the endgame of this campaign is to have mandatory ID checks for social media. Police would have access to these upon court orders etc and be able to e
by spacebanana7 2y ago
I suspect the endgame of this campaign is to have mandatory ID checks for social media. Police would have access to these upon court orders etc and be able to easily prosecute anyone who posts 'harmful' content online.
- lanfeust6 2y agoWhich would kill social media. The cherry-picked tech giant iterations anyway.
- ChocolateGod 2y agoExactly, targeting children with their parents credit cards is a profitable business.
- samlinnfer 2y agoThey already have this in China and Korea. Hasn't stopped people from using social media.
- lanfeust6 2y agoThe West isn't China and Korea. They can't opt out of authoritarian-state surveillance and great firewall, whereas we have options more amenable to privacy, even if you want to quibble that they aren't perfect. Also the fact that UK and Australia are kind of backwards on online privacy. That aside, this is targeted. The fediverse and vbulletin forums of old, even reddit, are all social media but will never require facial recognition. If they do, then far worse things are happening to freedom.
- numpad0 2y agoKorea is a democratic Western nation, they host US military bases and fly F-35. Korean made phones are trusted enough that American special forces use it for some parachute jumpings.
- pezezin 2y agoSince when is East Asia considered "Western"? I live in a Japanese city with a US military base and trust me, the only Western thing here are the few bars that cater to them.
- dragonwriter 2y agoAmong the many definitions of "Western" is the original sense of "First World", encompassing members of the geopolitical bloc centered historically on the US.
- pezezin 2y agoSources? It is the first time I see that definition, and sorry but it doesn't make any sense.
- sandspar 2y agoIf the world splits into a China bloc and an American bloc, Japan would almost certainly join the American bloc, right?
- like_any_other 2y ago> The West isn't China and Korea. They have this in South Korea: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43716932 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43716932
- lanfeust6 2y agoThis law was struck down for violating the constitution.
- spacebanana7 2y agoI don't think it would kill social media, but it'd make it more similar to Chinese social media. Essentially impossible to use for protests or criticism of things the government doesn't critiques on.
- numpad0 2y agoIt ties real world ultraviolence with social media. It won't kill social media, just make it materially toxic. IIUC South Korea in 2000s had exactly this, online dispute stories coming from there were much worse than anything I had heard locally.
- charlie90 2y agoWhy? People make social media accounts with their real name and face already. I doubt it would have any effect.
- pjc50 2y agoSee e.g. "Ohio social media parental notification act" (mind you, ID/age requirements for access to adult content go way, way back in all countries)
- woodrowbarlow 2y ago<tin-foil-hat> ultimately, i think the endgame is to require government ID in order to access internet services in general, a la ender's game. </tin-foil-hat>
- raspyberr 2y agoPlease walk me from scratch how you would access the internet on your own right now without any form of Government ID
- squigz 2y ago??? I'd walk to a local library and use their wifi. Or walk to a local McDonalds and use their wifi. Or walk to a friend's/family's house and use their wifi. Or...
- bitmasher9 2y agoI know right. There are entire business models where “comfortable place to connect to WiFi” is an important part of the strategy.
- toast0 2y agoI'm in the US. I do have government ID, but I don't recall showing it to my network providers. Certainly, some telcos want a social security number to run credit; but that's often avoidable. I'm pretty sure could also wander down to an electronics store (maybe a grocery/drug store too) and pick up a prepaid cell phone with internet access, pay for it with cash, and get that going without government id in the US. It's a bit of a hike to get to the electronics store from where I live, but I can get part of the way there with the bus that takes cash too.
- zeta0134 2y agoWalk into a coffee shop. Look at the wifi password, usually a sign near the register. Log onto the wifi network using the wifi password. Browse in peace. Is this sort of flow normal elsewhere? It's certainly normal where I live.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y agoGood! Why is the Internet any different than say, a porn or liquor store? Why are we so fuckin allergic to verification? I'll tell ya why- money. Don't pretend it's privacy.
- spacebanana7 2y agoIt's about power not money. The Chinese social media companies who do this are plenty profitable.
- squigz 2y agoHow about we don't pretend there's only 1 single facet to this issue, no matter which you think it is?
- woodrowbarlow 2y agothere two false equivalencies in your argument, as presented in response to GP: 1. ID checks are not the same as age verification. 2. a social media website is not the same as a porn website. if you take the stance that social media sites should require ID verification, then i would furthermore point out that this is likely to impact any website that has a space for users to add public feedback, even forums and blogs.
- throwaway875847 2y agoMoney? Every big ad tech company would love to be provided with all that juicy verification data.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y agoIf they could make more money with verification than without then we would already have it.
- BlueTemplar 2y agoBut they do : haven't you noticed the rise of "login to do X" over the last few decades ?
- like_any_other 2y agoThat would not be unprecedented: The first major change by the Lee Myung-bak government was to require websites with over 100,000 daily visitors to make their users register their real name and social security numbers. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_South_Korea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_South_K...
- nitwit005 2y agoI'm afraid the endgame is, all this activity tied to real identities will be repeatedly leaked, get used for blackmail, and by foreign intelligence agencies. Followed by governments basically shrugging.
- miohtama 2y agoYou need to ask what would Trump do. Court order probably skipped, or from a friendly judge.
- KaiserPro 2y agoThey already have access to this. If you run a social media site, then you have an API that allows government access to your data.