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So both-sides then? Look I think we should disagree on fiscal and social policy, and be able to deliberate over these issues. And have a system of government

So both-sides then? Look I think we should disagree on fiscal and social policy, and be able to deliberate over these issues. And have a system of government that allows for that kind of debate and representative vote. But "one side" is dismantling everything that was still democratic about the United States and turning into a massively one-sided (even one-manned) system of control. So whatever your opinion or mine on social policy no longer matter, because it's all up to the whims of a single person, with no recourse for the rest of us.

markus_zhang 2y ago
The biggest problem is that everyone has their own version of good and bad, so all need to get up and action, to form sort of equilibrium.
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- Geezus_42 2y ago
  Is it the democratic process failing, or it being destroyed by monied interests?
- mcphage 2y ago
  > The democratic process is failing the majority of people so the people are replacing it I see. And what is it that you are replacing it with?
  - fleek 2y ago
    A strongman. A Caesar. Someone to champion the cultural values and identity we believe in. You don't have to like it, agree with it or understand it for it to happen. Honestly I am trolling a little bit(maybe a lot) but this is literally how people think and no amount of discussion is going to change their minds. They want outcome A, you want outcome B, and there are very little (perhaps 0) shared values to build a cohesive foundation on which to compromise.
    - mcphage 2y ago
      > You don't have to like it, agree with it or understand it for it to happen. Sure but the problem is: he's going to fail the majority as well, which means they're going to step in and replace him next.
      - Volundr 2y ago
        > which means they're going to step in and replace him next. Or discover they can't. The thing about strongmen dictators is they aren't that easy to just replace.
    - pas 2y ago
      cultural values you say? like rape, corruption, extreme pettiness and selfishness? these people are in a cult. their sunk cost bias is overwhelming most of their sanity. and of course the world is not going in the way they wish, so their conflict resolution is to write a blank check to said strongman. (and project everything on him.)
      - mistrial9 2y ago
        > these people are in a cult yeah and I propose that "othering" anyone is the root of a problem, in itself. Don't become the thing you hate.
        mcphage 2y ago
        Othering is bad, sure. But shipping people out of the country without due process, into a foreign high security prison, and ignoring a court order to bring him back, is a whole lot worse. Let’s keep our eyes on the ball.
      - fleek 2y ago
        If that's what it takes to undo the moral decline of the last 30 years then so be it. I'm sick of seeing insanity in schools, at work, and on the news everyday. Our culture has been totally deconstructed and reversed where drag and pedophilia is celebrated, being diverse is more important than being skilled/having ability, being white is seen as tainted or somehow lesser than someone who has a diverse background. Beauty has been replaced with vulgarity and queerness. The reversal has been a long time coming. We have had a silent majority that was too afraid to act because of the legal implications of going against powerful special interests.

markus_zhang 2y ago

The biggest problem is that everyone has their own version of good and bad, so all need to get up and action, to form sort of equilibrium.

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Geezus_42 2y ago
Is it the democratic process failing, or it being destroyed by monied interests?
mcphage 2y ago
> The democratic process is failing the majority of people so the people are replacing it I see. And what is it that you are replacing it with?
- fleek 2y ago
  A strongman. A Caesar. Someone to champion the cultural values and identity we believe in. You don't have to like it, agree with it or understand it for it to happen. Honestly I am trolling a little bit(maybe a lot) but this is literally how people think and no amount of discussion is going to change their minds. They want outcome A, you want outcome B, and there are very little (perhaps 0) shared values to build a cohesive foundation on which to compromise.
  - mcphage 2y ago
    > You don't have to like it, agree with it or understand it for it to happen. Sure but the problem is: he's going to fail the majority as well, which means they're going to step in and replace him next.
    - Volundr 2y ago
      > which means they're going to step in and replace him next. Or discover they can't. The thing about strongmen dictators is they aren't that easy to just replace.
  - pas 2y ago
    cultural values you say? like rape, corruption, extreme pettiness and selfishness? these people are in a cult. their sunk cost bias is overwhelming most of their sanity. and of course the world is not going in the way they wish, so their conflict resolution is to write a blank check to said strongman. (and project everything on him.)
    - mistrial9 2y ago
      > these people are in a cult yeah and I propose that "othering" anyone is the root of a problem, in itself. Don't become the thing you hate.
      - mcphage 2y ago
        Othering is bad, sure. But shipping people out of the country without due process, into a foreign high security prison, and ignoring a court order to bring him back, is a whole lot worse. Let’s keep our eyes on the ball.
    - fleek 2y ago
      If that's what it takes to undo the moral decline of the last 30 years then so be it. I'm sick of seeing insanity in schools, at work, and on the news everyday. Our culture has been totally deconstructed and reversed where drag and pedophilia is celebrated, being diverse is more important than being skilled/having ability, being white is seen as tainted or somehow lesser than someone who has a diverse background. Beauty has been replaced with vulgarity and queerness. The reversal has been a long time coming. We have had a silent majority that was too afraid to act because of the legal implications of going against powerful special interests.