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I'm mixed. If we lived in a utopian world where money isn't real, I'd agree. Reality is California has major budget issues. Offering the classes for free is alr

I'm mixed. If we lived in a utopian world where money isn't real, I'd agree. Reality is California has major budget issues. Offering the classes for free is already enough in the current climate. Working while going to school is not uncommon or isolated to California. Full time work while going to school is excessive - but that is also a California COL issue that the state needs to actually tackle. But it gets worse the more they don't address their deficits. Debt begets debt and it always drives up COL.

bell-cot 2y ago
> Full time work while going to school is excessive ... For a healthy, driven person, without other major responsibilities (or a time-sucking internet addiction)? No, it really is not excessive. And that's assuming that "going to school" is also full time. Taking just one or two classes per term is an old tradition at community colleges.
- 9283409232 2y ago
  > Taking just one or two classes per term is an old tradition at community colleges. Not for people fresh out of high school. You are usually trying to graduate with a Bachelor's in 4 years so you do full-time at community college for 2 years to get your AA-T and then transfer to a university for your last 2 years. California in particular has a program that lets you transfer get a guaranteed transfer to any state university or participating private university once you get your AA-T.
- archievillain 2y ago
  If you completely ignore the section of the population that needs aid, then yes, there's no need for aid. Might as well stop building wheelchair ramps, because for a healthy person with no locomotory issues the stairs are just fine.
- SecretDreams 2y ago
  I mean, I worked 20ish hours a week while doing engineering and I did well relative to my peers, but I can still recognize it was a lot. Full time in that world for 4-5 years would have been miserable. Just because I can do something doesn't mean it's something I would want or would suggest for the rest of the population.
  - bell-cot 2y ago
    Yes, it is fairly miserable to do both full-time. OTOH, life in America is very unfairly miserable for tens of millions of people who are not going to school. And trying to tell all the taxpayers that they have to provide nice quality-of-life upgrades, for people who are already enjoying taxpayer-supported free classes? NO - in our non-utopian world, where money is real, that is a very bad idea.
    - SecretDreams 2y ago
      Yeah, I agree in our real world that it's a tall ask. I'd like to see us not burden all tax payers with such requests, though. Rather, I'd focus on the very top to be contributing substantially more into the systems that they've pillaged for their present wealth.

bell-cot 2y ago

> Full time work while going to school is excessive ... For a healthy, driven person, without other major responsibilities (or a time-sucking internet addiction)? No, it really is not excessive. And that's assuming that "going to school" is also full time. Taking just one or two classes per term is an old tradition at community colleges.

9283409232 2y ago
> Taking just one or two classes per term is an old tradition at community colleges. Not for people fresh out of high school. You are usually trying to graduate with a Bachelor's in 4 years so you do full-time at community college for 2 years to get your AA-T and then transfer to a university for your last 2 years. California in particular has a program that lets you transfer get a guaranteed transfer to any state university or participating private university once you get your AA-T.
archievillain 2y ago
If you completely ignore the section of the population that needs aid, then yes, there's no need for aid. Might as well stop building wheelchair ramps, because for a healthy person with no locomotory issues the stairs are just fine.
SecretDreams 2y ago
I mean, I worked 20ish hours a week while doing engineering and I did well relative to my peers, but I can still recognize it was a lot. Full time in that world for 4-5 years would have been miserable. Just because I can do something doesn't mean it's something I would want or would suggest for the rest of the population.
- bell-cot 2y ago
  Yes, it is fairly miserable to do both full-time. OTOH, life in America is very unfairly miserable for tens of millions of people who are not going to school. And trying to tell all the taxpayers that they have to provide nice quality-of-life upgrades, for people who are already enjoying taxpayer-supported free classes? NO - in our non-utopian world, where money is real, that is a very bad idea.
  - SecretDreams 2y ago
    Yeah, I agree in our real world that it's a tall ask. I'd like to see us not burden all tax payers with such requests, though. Rather, I'd focus on the very top to be contributing substantially more into the systems that they've pillaged for their present wealth.