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Antisemitic by whose definition? The ADL's?

by NoTeslaThrow 1y ago

jraby3 1y ago
What's wrong with the ADL definition of antisemitism?
- ZeroGravitas 1y ago
  It basically made criticising Israel automatically "anti-Semitic". While someone who has previously said that the Jews are importing immigrants to intentionally undermine the USA who gave multiple Seig Heils was an ambiguous situation that they didn't want to rush to judgement on. They basically destroyed all their credibility by becoming an advocate for Israel not for Jewish people.
- Braxton1980 1y ago
  They consider being anti-zionist to be antisemitic. This one section alone. The remainder is fine but I believe this shows they can't disconnect Israel from Jewishness "Examples of when such critiques cross into antisemitism include when they ostracize and vilify Zionists and Zionism" https://www.adl.org/resources/tools-and-strategies/what-antisemitism-anti-zionism-anti-israel-bias https://www.adl.org/resources/tools-and-strategies/what-anti...
  - jraby3 1y ago
    It's perfectly fine to criticize the government of any country. But is anyone in the UK, or Syria, or Iraq (my birthplace) saying those countries don't have a right to exist? Why just Israel? When you have a standard that exists for one country or people that doesn't exist for anyone else, isn't that the definition of bigotry in all its forms?
    - Braxton1980 1y ago
      There's two levels: 1. Hating someone for an attribute they can't fix or were born with is wrong. For example, skin color, sexual orientation, or being Jewish* This is wrong because a Black person can't stop being Black, a gay man can't stop being attracted to men. In other words it's not the fault of the person. 2. Hating a person because of a belief is different. Hating all Nazis is bigotry but almost all people wouldn't consider that wrong. Hating all people who think Israel should be a country is also bigotry. The big difference is the person has control over their belief. > standard What standard? Who is setting this standard? #------------ * Being Jewish is considered both an ethnicity and religion, it's complicated. Hitler didn't care if jews converted, his definition was ethnic. In this conversation I'm considering it an ethnicity.
    - NoTeslaThrow 1y ago
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Antisemitic by whose definition? The ADL's?

jraby3 1y ago

What's wrong with the ADL definition of antisemitism?

ZeroGravitas 1y ago
It basically made criticising Israel automatically "anti-Semitic". While someone who has previously said that the Jews are importing immigrants to intentionally undermine the USA who gave multiple Seig Heils was an ambiguous situation that they didn't want to rush to judgement on. They basically destroyed all their credibility by becoming an advocate for Israel not for Jewish people.
Braxton1980 1y ago
They consider being anti-zionist to be antisemitic. This one section alone. The remainder is fine but I believe this shows they can't disconnect Israel from Jewishness "Examples of when such critiques cross into antisemitism include when they ostracize and vilify Zionists and Zionism" https://www.adl.org/resources/tools-and-strategies/what-antisemitism-anti-zionism-anti-israel-bias https://www.adl.org/resources/tools-and-strategies/what-anti...
- jraby3 1y ago
  It's perfectly fine to criticize the government of any country. But is anyone in the UK, or Syria, or Iraq (my birthplace) saying those countries don't have a right to exist? Why just Israel? When you have a standard that exists for one country or people that doesn't exist for anyone else, isn't that the definition of bigotry in all its forms?
  - Braxton1980 1y ago
    There's two levels: 1. Hating someone for an attribute they can't fix or were born with is wrong. For example, skin color, sexual orientation, or being Jewish* This is wrong because a Black person can't stop being Black, a gay man can't stop being attracted to men. In other words it's not the fault of the person. 2. Hating a person because of a belief is different. Hating all Nazis is bigotry but almost all people wouldn't consider that wrong. Hating all people who think Israel should be a country is also bigotry. The big difference is the person has control over their belief. > standard What standard? Who is setting this standard? #------------ * Being Jewish is considered both an ethnicity and religion, it's complicated. Hitler didn't care if jews converted, his definition was ethnic. In this conversation I'm considering it an ethnicity.
  - NoTeslaThrow 1y ago
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