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> The violence against peaceful protestors was a shock. A couple of months later not just violence. I know someone who was at the Maidan helping the wounded. T

> The violence against peaceful protestors was a shock. A couple of months later not just violence. I know someone who was at the Maidan helping the wounded. That guy is mostly neutral and not pro West or whatnot, he just talked about what he saw and that included a few protesters fatally shot by paid agents (I didn't know about that until I talked to him). Clearly even that didn't work when people are motivated enough.

pjc50 2y ago
Grimly, it was the shooting of a large number of demonstrators that pushed the rest of the country, the "centrists" and the "apolitical", off the fence. I don't know whether that would work in America. The Vegas shooter killed 60 and injured several hundred people, to zero political effect. BLM riots incurred a lot of injuries but very few actual deaths. I suspect Amerimaidan would go very badly and be easily demonized in the media.
- throwaway290 2y ago
  I feel like the media will know that demonizing it is how they'd completely lose that many ad viewers/subscribers.
  - pjc50 2y ago
    Difficult to imagine what event would cause people to turn off Fox permanently and re-emerge, blinking, into the sunlight.
- hayst4ck 2y ago
  George Floyd protests happened and they were significant enough to get the second in command of the US military and Americas top military advisor to both say trump is a threat to the constitution as well as achieving the goal of justice in the form of consequences for George Floyd's murder. It was so traumatic for America's top military advisor that he made a major point to those under him that they swore an oath to the constitution and not a "wannabe dictator." Many police departments have enacted various reforms, hard to tell if they have been enacted in good faith. The Vegas shooter is business as usual and generally considered a societal problem. The BLM protests were different and seen as caused/provoked by the administration at the time. As far as the grim part... Unfortunately that's the way power works. Power will not be challenged without putting up a fight. If none of us is prepared to die for freedom, then all of us will die under tyranny. Timothy Snyder - On Tyranny.

pjc50 2y ago

Grimly, it was the shooting of a large number of demonstrators that pushed the rest of the country, the "centrists" and the "apolitical", off the fence. I don't know whether that would work in America. The Vegas shooter killed 60 and injured several hundred people, to zero political effect. BLM riots incurred a lot of injuries but very few actual deaths. I suspect Amerimaidan would go very badly and be easily demonized in the media.

throwaway290 2y ago
I feel like the media will know that demonizing it is how they'd completely lose that many ad viewers/subscribers.
- pjc50 2y ago
  Difficult to imagine what event would cause people to turn off Fox permanently and re-emerge, blinking, into the sunlight.
hayst4ck 2y ago
George Floyd protests happened and they were significant enough to get the second in command of the US military and Americas top military advisor to both say trump is a threat to the constitution as well as achieving the goal of justice in the form of consequences for George Floyd's murder. It was so traumatic for America's top military advisor that he made a major point to those under him that they swore an oath to the constitution and not a "wannabe dictator." Many police departments have enacted various reforms, hard to tell if they have been enacted in good faith. The Vegas shooter is business as usual and generally considered a societal problem. The BLM protests were different and seen as caused/provoked by the administration at the time. As far as the grim part... Unfortunately that's the way power works. Power will not be challenged without putting up a fight. If none of us is prepared to die for freedom, then all of us will die under tyranny. Timothy Snyder - On Tyranny.