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Too much of the US population is still in favor of this sort of thing. After all, it's happening to an immigrant.

by pjc50 2y ago

ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
In that case, they deserve what's likely to happen to them too. People that only care about themselves or their racial group are a curse upon society.
- BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
  Yeah but they fuck it up for the rest of us on the way down
  - ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
    That's the price you pay for tolerating and enabling their behaviour. It constantly astonishes me how blatantly racist some of the people in the U.S. are. How do they not get punched in the face?
    - pjc50 2y ago
      > How do they not get punched in the face? Guns and pre-segregating their social circle.
    - JohnFen 2y ago
      > That's the price you pay for tolerating and enabling their behaviour. Be careful about assuming that we are all tolerating and enabling their behavior. That's not true as a blanket statement.
      - ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
        Sorry - I didn't mean to sound like I was accusing everyone, but there's certainly U.S. communities where racist attitudes/behaviour are allowed to fester unchecked. I find it quite shocking.
- rchaud 2y ago
  As long as they're fed a 24/7 media diet of government overreach and cruelty to others, they won't even notice when it's their turn. Note that even now, they blame American job losses on Central America and China instead of the American CEOs that signed and profited from those deals.
JeremyNT 2y ago
I mean it's trite but obviously a democracy can fail in this way (see Weimar Germany). If you can make enough people feel aggrieved and give them an "other" to hate, you're off to the races. This US slip into authoritarianism should cause us all to reconsider history too. This is the wealthiest country in the world, so economic trouble is clearly not required, and it gives lie to the notion that the US had some kind of unique structural defense against authoritarianism - maybe there is no defense, and this is inevitable.
- atmavatar 2y ago
  A big part of the problem is that wealth has overwhelmingly been funneled upwards. Despite being the wealthiest country on the planet, and despite said wealth largely increasing over time, the average person hasn't felt it, because they don't get a cut. For over 50 years now, wages have become disconnected with productivity, with the capital class siphoning off nearly all productivity gains for themselves at the expense of everyone else. See: https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/ https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/ See: https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/dataviz/dfa/distribute/chart/ https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/dataviz/dfa/distr... One of the primary reasons Trump won the election is that the Democrats were hailing the high-level economic numbers as a big success, but the average person wasn't really feeling it. Being told that things are going great when they're suffering put many people off voting and caused others to vote against the incumbent party in hopes of a change. Unfortunately for the masses, the Republican party has largely been responsible for the current wealth inequality through repeated tax cuts disproportionately affecting the wealthy and attacks on worker representation over the last half century. Though, to be fair, despite their rhetoric, the Democratic party has generally been complicit, as they are also owned and operated by moneyed interests. Citizens United was probably the final nail in the coffin containing any hope to turn things around.
  - ajross 2y ago
    This nonsense drives me bananas. It's not true. There are no numbers showing that the median/average/working-class/whatever American citizen is worse off in any meaningful way. Period. It didn't happen. Americans are wealthier now[1] than they ever have been. Americans are wealthier now than anyone[2] has been, ever, in the entirety of human experience. That they (and you) don't believe this to be the case is important and interesting. But it's not true. [1] Maybe not for that ←long once the Q2/Q3 results show up with the tariff impact and the layoff start [2] Anyone with a broad enough sampling I guess. There are always tiny states with skewed statistics.

Too much of the US population is still in favor of this sort of thing. After all, it's happening to an immigrant.

by pjc50 2y ago

Too much of the US population is still in favor of this sort of thing. After all, it's happening to an immigrant.

In that case, they deserve what's likely to happen to them too. People that only care about themselves or their racial group are a curse upon society.

BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
Yeah but they fuck it up for the rest of us on the way down
- ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
  That's the price you pay for tolerating and enabling their behaviour. It constantly astonishes me how blatantly racist some of the people in the U.S. are. How do they not get punched in the face?
  - pjc50 2y ago
    > How do they not get punched in the face? Guns and pre-segregating their social circle.
  - JohnFen 2y ago
    > That's the price you pay for tolerating and enabling their behaviour. Be careful about assuming that we are all tolerating and enabling their behavior. That's not true as a blanket statement.
    - ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
      Sorry - I didn't mean to sound like I was accusing everyone, but there's certainly U.S. communities where racist attitudes/behaviour are allowed to fester unchecked. I find it quite shocking.
rchaud 2y ago
As long as they're fed a 24/7 media diet of government overreach and cruelty to others, they won't even notice when it's their turn. Note that even now, they blame American job losses on Central America and China instead of the American CEOs that signed and profited from those deals.

JeremyNT 2y ago

I mean it's trite but obviously a democracy can fail in this way (see Weimar Germany). If you can make enough people feel aggrieved and give them an "other" to hate, you're off to the races. This US slip into authoritarianism should cause us all to reconsider history too. This is the wealthiest country in the world, so economic trouble is clearly not required, and it gives lie to the notion that the US had some kind of unique structural defense against authoritarianism - maybe there is no defense, and this is inevitable.

atmavatar 2y ago
A big part of the problem is that wealth has overwhelmingly been funneled upwards. Despite being the wealthiest country on the planet, and despite said wealth largely increasing over time, the average person hasn't felt it, because they don't get a cut. For over 50 years now, wages have become disconnected with productivity, with the capital class siphoning off nearly all productivity gains for themselves at the expense of everyone else. See: https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/ https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/ See: https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/dataviz/dfa/distribute/chart/ https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/dataviz/dfa/distr... One of the primary reasons Trump won the election is that the Democrats were hailing the high-level economic numbers as a big success, but the average person wasn't really feeling it. Being told that things are going great when they're suffering put many people off voting and caused others to vote against the incumbent party in hopes of a change. Unfortunately for the masses, the Republican party has largely been responsible for the current wealth inequality through repeated tax cuts disproportionately affecting the wealthy and attacks on worker representation over the last half century. Though, to be fair, despite their rhetoric, the Democratic party has generally been complicit, as they are also owned and operated by moneyed interests. Citizens United was probably the final nail in the coffin containing any hope to turn things around.
- ajross 2y ago
  This nonsense drives me bananas. It's not true. There are no numbers showing that the median/average/working-class/whatever American citizen is worse off in any meaningful way. Period. It didn't happen. Americans are wealthier now[1] than they ever have been. Americans are wealthier now than anyone[2] has been, ever, in the entirety of human experience. That they (and you) don't believe this to be the case is important and interesting. But it's not true. [1] Maybe not for that ←long once the Q2/Q3 results show up with the tariff impact and the layoff start [2] Anyone with a broad enough sampling I guess. There are always tiny states with skewed statistics.