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MarkMonitor isn't at fault here. If you register a ".ps" domain, it doesn't matter if you use MarkMonitor or Namecheap, they can't help you when the ongoing ge

MarkMonitor isn't at fault here. If you register a ".ps" domain, it doesn't matter if you use MarkMonitor or Namecheap, they can't help you when the ongoing genocide results in the removal of Palestine as a country and ".ps" no longer is a valid country code top level domain. Similarly, if you register a .us domain instead of a ".com", ".net", or ".org", MarkMonitor can't help you when GoDaddy inevitably screws up. History has borne this out: .com domains are well-managed. ccTLDs like '.io', '.su', and '.fj' have all had significant security or availability issues because they're run by "eh, whoever the hell the country picks" with no standards. Financially, a proper gTLD also can't raise prices unilaterally and weirdly, while if you pick a ccTLD, the country has free reign to arbitrarily change prices, delete your domain, take over your domain, etc etc. Do not use a ccTLD.

Animats 2y ago
> MarkMonitor isn't at fault here. Yes, it is. "Their enforcement team works with platforms to remove infringing content and can even help with legal proceedings if needed. They don't just find problems—they help solve them through their connections with major online platforms and their understanding of takedown procedures." What you're paying for is MarkMonitor's people having the cell phone number of the guy at the operations end of whatever point in the chain screwed up. At least that was their original pitch. Now, they have a whole range of tracking services which you can get elsewhere.
grasps 2y ago
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- slackr 2y ago
  ICJ judges in The Hague, including Israel’s appointed judge, deemed it necessary to remind Israel to respect the Palestinians’ right to not be genocided away. https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/South_Africa_v._Israel_(Order_of_26_January_2024) https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/South_Africa_v._Israel_(Ord...
  - e-brake 2y ago
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    - immibis 2y ago
      Please don't defend Hitler on Hacker News.
chrismorgan 2y ago
>>> This block was the result of a communication error between Zoom’s domain registrar, Markmonitor, and GoDaddy Registry, which resulted in GoDaddy Registry mistakenly shutting down zoom.us domain. That sounds like MarkMonitor is at least partly at fault here.
- NewJazz 2y ago
  I mean, one person is saying what to do and the other person is doing it. And the person doing things is taking down zoom.us... Also knowing who godaddy is and what they do...
- subscribed 2y ago
  Mark Monitor have issued a correct request for the `serverUpdateProhibited`, but GoDaddy changed the code to `serverHold` instead. 100% on the GoDaddy staff.
  - oarsinsync 2y ago
    > Mark Monitor have issued a correct request for the `serverUpdateProhibited`, but GoDaddy changed the code to `serverHold` instead. I’m curious about where are you seeing what Mark Monitor requested? It doesn’t appear in the official status update. Is this public information formally posted somewhere we can all see?
Hackbraten 2y ago
There are countries whose ccTLD registrars are impeccably well-run and have been for decades, such as DENIC, the entity that oversees the .de ccTLD. If you're based in Germany, I don't see a reason why you would want to avoid .de domains.
- NewJazz 2y ago
  There are definitely exceptions, and having a connection to the country in question helps, but unfortunately countries seem to enshittify in different but similar ways as old companies.
- immibis 2y ago
  Them being subject to the pretty draconian laws of Germany is a minus for most people if they had no other reason to have to follow those laws (such as not being in Germany).
  - moe_sc 2y ago
    Mind ellaborating what draconian laws you are talking about?
    - immibis 2y ago
      If it's not strictly non-commercial then you have to publish your fill name and home address prominently on it. You can't say anything insulting about anyone, even if true. And you can't criticize what Israel did because it's considered antisemitism.
      - lxgr 2y ago
        > If it's not strictly non-commercial then you have to publish your fill name and home address prominently on it. Under German law, as far as I understand this is true for publications "addressed to a German audience" regardless of your domain's TLD, your server location etc.
  - lxgr 2y ago
chrismorgan 2y ago
> Financially, a proper gTLD also can't raise prices unilaterally and weirdly, while if you pick a ccTLD, the country has free reign to arbitrarily change prices, delete your domain, take over your domain, etc etc. Look into what’s happened with pricing on domains like .org and .info. They’re increasingly absurd, with the restrictions on price increases that once were there largely being removed, at the pushing of the sharks that bought the registrar. Why are these prices increasing well above inflation rate, when if anything the costs should go down over time? Why is .info now almost twice as expensive as .com?
- agwa 2y ago
  Although the .org price caps are gone, the registry has to raise prices uniformly for all domains. They can't target popular domains for discriminatory pricing. ccTLDs can.
  - ryan29 2y ago
    > They can't target popular domains for discriminatory pricing. That's not completely accurate. Section 2.10c of the base registry agreement says the following in relation to the uniform pricing obligations: > The foregoing requirements of this Section 2.10(c) shall not apply for (i) purposes of determining Renewal Pricing if the registrar has provided Registry Operator with documentation that demonstrates that the applicable registrant expressly agreed in its registration agreement with registrar to higher Renewal Pricing at the time of the initial registration Most registrars have blanket statements in their registration agreement that say premium domains may be subject to higher renewal pricing. For registry premium domains, there are no contractual limits on pricing or price discrimination. AFAIK, the registries can price premium domains however they want.
    - agwa 2y ago
      You omitted key portions of that section. Here's the full quote (emphasis added): > The foregoing requirements of this Section 2.10(c) shall not apply for (i) purposes of determining Renewal Pricing if the registrar has provided Registry Operator with documentation that demonstrates that the applicable registrant expressly agreed in its registration agreement with registrar to higher Renewal Pricing at the time of the initial registration of the domain name following clear and conspicuous disclosure of such Renewal Pricing to such registrant Furthermore: > The parties acknowledge that the purpose of this Section 2.10(c) is to prohibit abusive and/or discriminatory Renewal Pricing practices imposed by Registry Operator without the written consent of the applicable registrant at the time of the initial registration of the domain and this Section 2.10(c) will be interpreted broadly to prohibit such practices Yes, premium domains can be priced higher, but the Renewal Pricing has to be "clear and conspicuous" to the registrant at the time of initial registration. Are you aware of any litigation related to this?

Animats 2y ago

> MarkMonitor isn't at fault here. Yes, it is. "Their enforcement team works with platforms to remove infringing content and can even help with legal proceedings if needed. They don't just find problems—they help solve them through their connections with major online platforms and their understanding of takedown procedures." What you're paying for is MarkMonitor's people having the cell phone number of the guy at the operations end of whatever point in the chain screwed up. At least that was their original pitch. Now, they have a whole range of tracking services which you can get elsewhere.

grasps 2y ago

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slackr 2y ago
ICJ judges in The Hague, including Israel’s appointed judge, deemed it necessary to remind Israel to respect the Palestinians’ right to not be genocided away. https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/South_Africa_v._Israel_(Order_of_26_January_2024) https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/South_Africa_v._Israel_(Ord...
- e-brake 2y ago
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  - immibis 2y ago
    Please don't defend Hitler on Hacker News.

chrismorgan 2y ago

>>> This block was the result of a communication error between Zoom’s domain registrar, Markmonitor, and GoDaddy Registry, which resulted in GoDaddy Registry mistakenly shutting down zoom.us domain. That sounds like MarkMonitor is at least partly at fault here.

NewJazz 2y ago
I mean, one person is saying what to do and the other person is doing it. And the person doing things is taking down zoom.us... Also knowing who godaddy is and what they do...
subscribed 2y ago
Mark Monitor have issued a correct request for the `serverUpdateProhibited`, but GoDaddy changed the code to `serverHold` instead. 100% on the GoDaddy staff.
- oarsinsync 2y ago
  > Mark Monitor have issued a correct request for the `serverUpdateProhibited`, but GoDaddy changed the code to `serverHold` instead. I’m curious about where are you seeing what Mark Monitor requested? It doesn’t appear in the official status update. Is this public information formally posted somewhere we can all see?

Hackbraten 2y ago

There are countries whose ccTLD registrars are impeccably well-run and have been for decades, such as DENIC, the entity that oversees the .de ccTLD. If you're based in Germany, I don't see a reason why you would want to avoid .de domains.

NewJazz 2y ago
There are definitely exceptions, and having a connection to the country in question helps, but unfortunately countries seem to enshittify in different but similar ways as old companies.
immibis 2y ago
Them being subject to the pretty draconian laws of Germany is a minus for most people if they had no other reason to have to follow those laws (such as not being in Germany).
- moe_sc 2y ago
  Mind ellaborating what draconian laws you are talking about?
  - immibis 2y ago
    If it's not strictly non-commercial then you have to publish your fill name and home address prominently on it. You can't say anything insulting about anyone, even if true. And you can't criticize what Israel did because it's considered antisemitism.
    - lxgr 2y ago
      > If it's not strictly non-commercial then you have to publish your fill name and home address prominently on it. Under German law, as far as I understand this is true for publications "addressed to a German audience" regardless of your domain's TLD, your server location etc.
- lxgr 2y ago

chrismorgan 2y ago

> Financially, a proper gTLD also can't raise prices unilaterally and weirdly, while if you pick a ccTLD, the country has free reign to arbitrarily change prices, delete your domain, take over your domain, etc etc. Look into what’s happened with pricing on domains like .org and .info. They’re increasingly absurd, with the restrictions on price increases that once were there largely being removed, at the pushing of the sharks that bought the registrar. Why are these prices increasing well above inflation rate, when if anything the costs should go down over time? Why is .info now almost twice as expensive as .com?

agwa 2y ago
Although the .org price caps are gone, the registry has to raise prices uniformly for all domains. They can't target popular domains for discriminatory pricing. ccTLDs can.
- ryan29 2y ago
  > They can't target popular domains for discriminatory pricing. That's not completely accurate. Section 2.10c of the base registry agreement says the following in relation to the uniform pricing obligations: > The foregoing requirements of this Section 2.10(c) shall not apply for (i) purposes of determining Renewal Pricing if the registrar has provided Registry Operator with documentation that demonstrates that the applicable registrant expressly agreed in its registration agreement with registrar to higher Renewal Pricing at the time of the initial registration Most registrars have blanket statements in their registration agreement that say premium domains may be subject to higher renewal pricing. For registry premium domains, there are no contractual limits on pricing or price discrimination. AFAIK, the registries can price premium domains however they want.
  - agwa 2y ago
    You omitted key portions of that section. Here's the full quote (emphasis added): > The foregoing requirements of this Section 2.10(c) shall not apply for (i) purposes of determining Renewal Pricing if the registrar has provided Registry Operator with documentation that demonstrates that the applicable registrant expressly agreed in its registration agreement with registrar to higher Renewal Pricing at the time of the initial registration of the domain name following clear and conspicuous disclosure of such Renewal Pricing to such registrant Furthermore: > The parties acknowledge that the purpose of this Section 2.10(c) is to prohibit abusive and/or discriminatory Renewal Pricing practices imposed by Registry Operator without the written consent of the applicable registrant at the time of the initial registration of the domain and this Section 2.10(c) will be interpreted broadly to prohibit such practices Yes, premium domains can be priced higher, but the Renewal Pricing has to be "clear and conspicuous" to the registrant at the time of initial registration. Are you aware of any litigation related to this?