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Why would you use godaddy for a service as large as Zoom? They have been garbage for years. The way they locked out their ACME api for anyone but top tear clien

Why would you use godaddy for a service as large as Zoom? They have been garbage for years. The way they locked out their ACME api for anyone but top tear clients sealed the deal for me. I would never trust them.

Geezus_42 2y ago
I just remembered, they also can't do DKIM correctly. What good is a DNS provider that can't follow standards?
technion 2y ago
Companies as big as zoom are still perfectly capable of having a high level VIP decide "we're going to use GoDaddy because I saw their Superbowl ad".
0x0000000 2y ago
They don't use Godaddy directly. Godaddy is the registry for .us. Zoom's registrar is MarkMonitor, who appear to be at fault for this outage.
- sgarland 2y ago
  Never heard of MarkMonitor before. Not a great start. I had Google Domains for years, until they abruptly and bizarrely abandoned it, then I left for Porkbun. Never had a problem with either of them. I get yearly auto-renewal notices. Everything works, and it’s very boring, which is precisely what I want from a registrar.
  - the-rc 2y ago
    MarkMonitor has been around forever. It's used by many of the largest companies. I remember quite a few Google outages that could be tracked down to MM issues.
  - dewey 2y ago
    That’s because you are maybe not in the market for MarkMonitor. If you check the whois for any global brands chances are they are held by MarkMonitor. Just like you don’t use EY as your tax advisor.
    - sgarland 2y ago
      Genuinely, I don’t understand how anything other than uptime matters for a domain registrar. What services are they offering that makes them attractive to corporations?
      - reilly3000 2y ago
        They generally do full service brand monitoring to protect IP and maintain continuity. You would outsource monitoring for trademark infringement to them, and be certain that domain renewals are done perfectly for a portfolio of high value domains.
        lolinder 2y ago
        Which is why this outage is so weird: the entire point of paying MarkMonitor is ensuring that absolutely nothing goes wrong with a very fraught process, and they seem to have just taken down one of the biggest brands they support.
        throwanem 2y ago
        Precisely. You pay a company like this the nosebleed-inducing fees they charge so that this exact event never happens. That assurance, and not the mechanics of domain registration or canned web searches or whatever else, is their product. It's like, as I'm sure I'm paraphrasing from something I read God alone knows how many years ago, if your publicist lets you walk into a press event with a giant blob of snot hanging out of your nose. There surely is a reason why that error occurred, and it probably is at least a pretty good reason. But no one is very surprised to see the intro invite from your new publicist. It isn't a relationship you blow up on a whim, but Zoom that can't route call traffic is Zoom that's not generating revenue, and while the reputational impact is negligible if it happens once, it had really better happen only once. Zoom is the incumbent; no one remembers they were revolutionary once, now everyone only notices the parts they don't like. (Being a skilled but politically naïve sysadmin is much the same.) Basically, this is why Ma Bell - which had about the only stronger possible "uptime" expectation, in that no one uses Zoom for 911 - was so uptight you couldn't even plug in a modem until about five minutes before divestiture, and specified everything down to the number of turns in the splices their technicians made. There was a fad among programmers, when I was a child, to consider such practices stodgy.
  - Moto7451 2y ago
    I worked at a company that used MM and was involved in some of the domain work. One of the really nice things about the service is they handle a lot of the general business continuity and security stuff that can really suck with traditional registrars. One of their main lines of work is they’ll work with you to resolve tld-squatting and typo-squatting by working directly with the registrars. Even before an infinite number of vanity or scammy tlds started showing up it would be pretty difficult to find <your-growing-unicorn-startup>.biz to add to your portfolio of domains since the owner may just have forgotten to update their email in their registrar and were coasting on a 10 year registration. Maybe the squat was intentional and it’s now a 1:1 replica of your homepage with a phishing or other credit card scam going. Stuff like that really sucks to do yourself while handling your other responsibilities. MM was pretty successful at getting in touch with the owners in the first place and having the registrar yank and transfer in the latter case. YMMV of course. Once a lot of tlds started showing up, and especially the porn related ones, they worked with the new registrars directly (like GoDaddy in the .us case here) in the “sunrise period” to make sure something like google.xxx doesn’t become a front page article about an actual porn site (in case you’re wondering, that one doesn’t go anywhere at all). Your other options are to work directly with each registrar or ICANN.
    - throwanem 2y ago
      Oh, I didn't know they'd been around since '99. They called me on behalf of a Hollywood titan about one of my hobby domains, which happened to partially coincide at a dictionary word with one of their client's trademarks, some time around 2006. I don't recall that the approximate paralegal I spoke with actually identified the company; I never forgot the call, but hadn't thought to check who manages the studio's own domain. Go figure. I found them surprisingly easy to deal with, and happy to have me on record that my toy domain had nothing to do with either their client or any money. I assumed as long as that remained the case I would never hear from them again, and for the decade or so longer I kept the domain, that was exactly how things went.
      - prmoustache 2y ago
        I may be wrong but I think I saw MarkMonitor changing hands a year or two ago so the MarkMonitor of today might not be at the same level and quality of service as before.
- subscribed 2y ago
  No, Mark Monitor have requested the correct change (EPP status code `ServerUpdateProhibited), GoDaddy messed it up. (I'm not affiliated with either, but happen to know the technical details of the outage)
  - SahAssar 2y ago
    Could you let us know how you know the technical details? Is there some public info the rest of us haven't been clued into?
signal11 2y ago
From the linked article > This block was the result of a communication error between Zoom’s domain registrar, Markmonitor, and GoDaddy Registry, which resulted in GoDaddy Registry mistakenly shutting down zoom.us domain. Markmonitor is used by some fairly large corps and web properties. It’ll be interesting to find out exactly what this miscommunication was.
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Geezus_42 2y ago

I just remembered, they also can't do DKIM correctly. What good is a DNS provider that can't follow standards?

technion 2y ago

Companies as big as zoom are still perfectly capable of having a high level VIP decide "we're going to use GoDaddy because I saw their Superbowl ad".

0x0000000 2y ago

They don't use Godaddy directly. Godaddy is the registry for .us. Zoom's registrar is MarkMonitor, who appear to be at fault for this outage.

sgarland 2y ago
Never heard of MarkMonitor before. Not a great start. I had Google Domains for years, until they abruptly and bizarrely abandoned it, then I left for Porkbun. Never had a problem with either of them. I get yearly auto-renewal notices. Everything works, and it’s very boring, which is precisely what I want from a registrar.
- the-rc 2y ago
  MarkMonitor has been around forever. It's used by many of the largest companies. I remember quite a few Google outages that could be tracked down to MM issues.
- dewey 2y ago
  That’s because you are maybe not in the market for MarkMonitor. If you check the whois for any global brands chances are they are held by MarkMonitor. Just like you don’t use EY as your tax advisor.
  - sgarland 2y ago
    Genuinely, I don’t understand how anything other than uptime matters for a domain registrar. What services are they offering that makes them attractive to corporations?
    - reilly3000 2y ago
      They generally do full service brand monitoring to protect IP and maintain continuity. You would outsource monitoring for trademark infringement to them, and be certain that domain renewals are done perfectly for a portfolio of high value domains.
      - lolinder 2y ago
        Which is why this outage is so weird: the entire point of paying MarkMonitor is ensuring that absolutely nothing goes wrong with a very fraught process, and they seem to have just taken down one of the biggest brands they support.
        throwanem 2y ago
        Precisely. You pay a company like this the nosebleed-inducing fees they charge so that this exact event never happens. That assurance, and not the mechanics of domain registration or canned web searches or whatever else, is their product. It's like, as I'm sure I'm paraphrasing from something I read God alone knows how many years ago, if your publicist lets you walk into a press event with a giant blob of snot hanging out of your nose. There surely is a reason why that error occurred, and it probably is at least a pretty good reason. But no one is very surprised to see the intro invite from your new publicist. It isn't a relationship you blow up on a whim, but Zoom that can't route call traffic is Zoom that's not generating revenue, and while the reputational impact is negligible if it happens once, it had really better happen only once. Zoom is the incumbent; no one remembers they were revolutionary once, now everyone only notices the parts they don't like. (Being a skilled but politically naïve sysadmin is much the same.) Basically, this is why Ma Bell - which had about the only stronger possible "uptime" expectation, in that no one uses Zoom for 911 - was so uptight you couldn't even plug in a modem until about five minutes before divestiture, and specified everything down to the number of turns in the splices their technicians made. There was a fad among programmers, when I was a child, to consider such practices stodgy.
- Moto7451 2y ago
  I worked at a company that used MM and was involved in some of the domain work. One of the really nice things about the service is they handle a lot of the general business continuity and security stuff that can really suck with traditional registrars. One of their main lines of work is they’ll work with you to resolve tld-squatting and typo-squatting by working directly with the registrars. Even before an infinite number of vanity or scammy tlds started showing up it would be pretty difficult to find <your-growing-unicorn-startup>.biz to add to your portfolio of domains since the owner may just have forgotten to update their email in their registrar and were coasting on a 10 year registration. Maybe the squat was intentional and it’s now a 1:1 replica of your homepage with a phishing or other credit card scam going. Stuff like that really sucks to do yourself while handling your other responsibilities. MM was pretty successful at getting in touch with the owners in the first place and having the registrar yank and transfer in the latter case. YMMV of course. Once a lot of tlds started showing up, and especially the porn related ones, they worked with the new registrars directly (like GoDaddy in the .us case here) in the “sunrise period” to make sure something like google.xxx doesn’t become a front page article about an actual porn site (in case you’re wondering, that one doesn’t go anywhere at all). Your other options are to work directly with each registrar or ICANN.
  - throwanem 2y ago
    Oh, I didn't know they'd been around since '99. They called me on behalf of a Hollywood titan about one of my hobby domains, which happened to partially coincide at a dictionary word with one of their client's trademarks, some time around 2006. I don't recall that the approximate paralegal I spoke with actually identified the company; I never forgot the call, but hadn't thought to check who manages the studio's own domain. Go figure. I found them surprisingly easy to deal with, and happy to have me on record that my toy domain had nothing to do with either their client or any money. I assumed as long as that remained the case I would never hear from them again, and for the decade or so longer I kept the domain, that was exactly how things went.
    - prmoustache 2y ago
      I may be wrong but I think I saw MarkMonitor changing hands a year or two ago so the MarkMonitor of today might not be at the same level and quality of service as before.
subscribed 2y ago
No, Mark Monitor have requested the correct change (EPP status code `ServerUpdateProhibited), GoDaddy messed it up. (I'm not affiliated with either, but happen to know the technical details of the outage)
- SahAssar 2y ago
  Could you let us know how you know the technical details? Is there some public info the rest of us haven't been clued into?

signal11 2y ago

From the linked article > This block was the result of a communication error between Zoom’s domain registrar, Markmonitor, and GoDaddy Registry, which resulted in GoDaddy Registry mistakenly shutting down zoom.us domain. Markmonitor is used by some fairly large corps and web properties. It’ll be interesting to find out exactly what this miscommunication was.

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