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Show us the evidence that they were required to dismount. The article you cited mentions no references, just mentions it in passing. This is not academic nor ac

Show us the evidence that they were required to dismount. The article you cited mentions no references, just mentions it in passing. This is not academic nor acceptable. I refuted all accusations unless proper evidence is brought up. It is for a fact that Islam does not permit what you mentioned. > As you can clearly see, there was no subdivision that cleanly mapped to the currently-existing region of Israel or Palestine. That region was created by the British, as "Mandatory Palestine." Neither did any fake border map to present day country in the Middle East. This proves my point further - these fake borders were placed by the colonizing West to divide and conquer; and they got what they wanted - continued civil unrest, which they sowed on purpose to this very day. As I said, Islam and Muslims reject these fake borders. > Sorry, but Islam does not decree to the rest of the world what borders are It does decree to its lands; which is where the west came in and colonized them. Or are you denying Muslim autonomy on their own lands? > Lmao. Where do you think you got Istanbul from? Do you recall that it once had a different name — does "Constantinople" ring a bell? The pot is calling the kettle black here. Not really - when you compare how Constantinople was conquered and what was the end result (Light was brought in, science and culture flourished, the local culture was preserved, no one was forced out, etc.) to how western colonization works (destruction, civil wars, killing natives, forcing people out of their homes, etc) which continues to this very day; the story is very different. This is what the europeans did to the natives in America/Canada/Australia, etc.; this is what America did to Afghanistan/Iraq/etc, and this is what they want the Palesinians to do; but to their suprise, the Muslims do not give up so easily. The west left defeated from Afghanistan at the hands of the brave local population, even though they faced the most advanced armies.

reissbaker 2y ago
If it's not academic, why is the University of Pennsylvania — an Ivy League institution — publishing it? Did you notice the URL? And I notice you're still trying to avoid the dung-gatherer decree... Its lands Uh-huh. The ones it conquered and colonized? The end result The Armenian genocide? The Greek genocide? Not to mention the actual act itself as documented by primary sources: As soon as the Turks were inside the City, they began to seize and enslave every person who came their way; all those who tried to offer resistance were put to the sword. In many places the ground could not be seen, as it was covered by heaps of corpses. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Constantinople https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Constantinople
- za3faran 2y ago
  I noticed the URL, that doesn't change what I wrote: the article itself is empty. Just being posted on a upenn URL doesn't make it automatically authentic nor academic. There is no evidence of the "dung gatherer decree" except in fictional work. As I wrote, I deny all accusation unless cited properly. > Uh-huh. The ones it conquered and colonized? No, the lands it spread to whose inhabitants accepted Islam without force, whose local culture and language was preserved, and which flourished afterward, and whos non-Muslim population was granted rights and protections. The Armenian and Greek genocides was due to the rise of secularist movements like the young Turks. I mentioned this in another post. Those are explicitly anti-Islamic, and purely secular. Again proving my point that those would not have happened under Islamic rule.
  - reissbaker 2y ago
    The Dung Gatherer's Decree is mentioned on Wikipedia and the citation points to here: https://search.worldcat.org/title/995805601 https://search.worldcat.org/title/995805601 That is not a "fictional work." And the UPenn article was literally written by a professor of Arabic studies! And the quote about the piles of corpses I gave you was referencing the fall of Constantinople, when it was sacked by the Ottomans; I even gave you the Wikipedia link where you could find it. It in fact happened under Islamic rule and there is plenty of primary evidence of it. And there is plenty of evidence of atrocities carried out by Muslims against Jews, e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1834_looting_of_Safed https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1834_looting_of_Safed Or the Mawza Exile under Imam al-Mahdi Ahmad: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mawza_Exile https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mawza_Exile Or the Allahdad: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allahdad https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allahdad Not to mention mass killing and forced conversion of Christians under the Ottomans: For strategic reasons, the Ottomans forcibly converted Christians living in the frontier regions of Macedonia and northern Bulgaria, particularly in the 16th and 17th centuries. Those who refused were either executed or burned alive. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_the_Ottoman_Empire#Conversion https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_the_Ottoman_... Your repeated assertions that none of this happened are simply ahistorical.

reissbaker 2y ago

If it's not academic, why is the University of Pennsylvania — an Ivy League institution — publishing it? Did you notice the URL? And I notice you're still trying to avoid the dung-gatherer decree... Its lands Uh-huh. The ones it conquered and colonized? The end result The Armenian genocide? The Greek genocide? Not to mention the actual act itself as documented by primary sources: As soon as the Turks were inside the City, they began to seize and enslave every person who came their way; all those who tried to offer resistance were put to the sword. In many places the ground could not be seen, as it was covered by heaps of corpses. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Constantinople https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Constantinople

za3faran 2y ago
I noticed the URL, that doesn't change what I wrote: the article itself is empty. Just being posted on a upenn URL doesn't make it automatically authentic nor academic. There is no evidence of the "dung gatherer decree" except in fictional work. As I wrote, I deny all accusation unless cited properly. > Uh-huh. The ones it conquered and colonized? No, the lands it spread to whose inhabitants accepted Islam without force, whose local culture and language was preserved, and which flourished afterward, and whos non-Muslim population was granted rights and protections. The Armenian and Greek genocides was due to the rise of secularist movements like the young Turks. I mentioned this in another post. Those are explicitly anti-Islamic, and purely secular. Again proving my point that those would not have happened under Islamic rule.
- reissbaker 2y ago
  The Dung Gatherer's Decree is mentioned on Wikipedia and the citation points to here: https://search.worldcat.org/title/995805601 https://search.worldcat.org/title/995805601 That is not a "fictional work." And the UPenn article was literally written by a professor of Arabic studies! And the quote about the piles of corpses I gave you was referencing the fall of Constantinople, when it was sacked by the Ottomans; I even gave you the Wikipedia link where you could find it. It in fact happened under Islamic rule and there is plenty of primary evidence of it. And there is plenty of evidence of atrocities carried out by Muslims against Jews, e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1834_looting_of_Safed https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1834_looting_of_Safed Or the Mawza Exile under Imam al-Mahdi Ahmad: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mawza_Exile https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mawza_Exile Or the Allahdad: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allahdad https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allahdad Not to mention mass killing and forced conversion of Christians under the Ottomans: For strategic reasons, the Ottomans forcibly converted Christians living in the frontier regions of Macedonia and northern Bulgaria, particularly in the 16th and 17th centuries. Those who refused were either executed or burned alive. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_the_Ottoman_Empire#Conversion https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_the_Ottoman_... Your repeated assertions that none of this happened are simply ahistorical.