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Markmonitor and zoom are both terrible companies so I can't feel bad about this

__float 2y ago
What's wrong with Markmonitor? They don't have nearly the customer base of Zoom (where I can relate to any complaints, I'm sure)
- autoexec 2y ago
  They've earned themselves a reputation for sending false DMCA notices. https://www.inquisitr.com/markmonitor-sends-false-copyright-infringement-notices-six-strikes-already-failing https://www.inquisitr.com/markmonitor-sends-false-copyright-... https://torrentfreak.com/record-labels-defeat-false-dmca-takedown-claims-in-court-210102/ https://torrentfreak.com/record-labels-defeat-false-dmca-tak... https://torrentfreak.com/court-dismisses-charters-claims-of-false-riaa-dmca-notices-201109/ https://torrentfreak.com/court-dismisses-charters-claims-of-... https://torrentfreak.com/hbo-wants-google-to-censor-hbo-com-130203/ https://torrentfreak.com/hbo-wants-google-to-censor-hbo-com-... https://torrentfreak.com/after-4-years-copyright-holders-still-think-megaupload-is-alive-160417/ https://torrentfreak.com/after-4-years-copyright-holders-sti... They haven't even always been good to their own clients: https://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-lawfirm-defrauded-rightsholders-out-of-millions-150702/ https://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-lawfirm-defrauded-right...
  - voxic11 2y ago
    Can you explain what that last article has to do with MarkMonitor? To me it just sounds like MarkMonitor once bought a company from a law firm which was sued for fraud 5 years after the sale was completed. So it doesn't appear that MarkMonitor was in any way related to the fraud which occurred.
    - autoexec 2y ago
      Good call out! If Schlüter didn't continue doing work for DtecNet after the sale to MarkMonitor then we can't really blame MarkMonitor for the things he was doing 5 years later.
nickvec 2y ago
Curious what your rationale is for Zoom being a terrible company? I don't disagree.
- autoexec 2y ago
  I decided zoom was a bad company very early for security and privacy reasons https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/8/20687014/zoom-security-flaw-video-conference-websites-hijack-mac-cameras https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/8/20687014/zoom-security-fla... https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/move-fast-roll-your-own-crypto-a-quick-look-at-the-confidentiality-of-zoom-meetings/ https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/move-fast-roll-your-own-crypto... The endless stream of news on privacy problems and vulnerabilities that have come to light since then have only made me feel better about that initial opinion. https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/08/zoom-data-mining-for-ai-terms-gdpr-eprivacy/ https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/08/zoom-data-mining-for-ai-te... https://www.tomsguide.com/news/zoom-security-privacy-woes https://www.tomsguide.com/news/zoom-security-privacy-woes https://cybersecuritynews.com/zoom-app-vulnerability/ https://cybersecuritynews.com/zoom-app-vulnerability/ https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/15/zoom_privilege_escalation/ https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/15/zoom_privilege_escala... https://gbhackers.com/zoom-security-update-patches-multiple-vulnerabilities/ https://gbhackers.com/zoom-security-update-patches-multiple-... https://thecyberexpress.com/multiple-zoom-vulnerabilities-detected/ https://thecyberexpress.com/multiple-zoom-vulnerabilities-de...
johnisgood 2y ago
Since parent (autoexec) has provided links to all of these claims, do not let it go to the down-vote hell and disappear. Why Markmonitor is terrible: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43712299 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43712299 Why Zoom is terrible: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43712438 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43712438 If you think it is not enough to call them terrible, reply to these comments as to why not.

What's wrong with Markmonitor? They don't have nearly the customer base of Zoom (where I can relate to any complaints, I'm sure)

autoexec 2y ago
They've earned themselves a reputation for sending false DMCA notices. https://www.inquisitr.com/markmonitor-sends-false-copyright-infringement-notices-six-strikes-already-failing https://www.inquisitr.com/markmonitor-sends-false-copyright-... https://torrentfreak.com/record-labels-defeat-false-dmca-takedown-claims-in-court-210102/ https://torrentfreak.com/record-labels-defeat-false-dmca-tak... https://torrentfreak.com/court-dismisses-charters-claims-of-false-riaa-dmca-notices-201109/ https://torrentfreak.com/court-dismisses-charters-claims-of-... https://torrentfreak.com/hbo-wants-google-to-censor-hbo-com-130203/ https://torrentfreak.com/hbo-wants-google-to-censor-hbo-com-... https://torrentfreak.com/after-4-years-copyright-holders-still-think-megaupload-is-alive-160417/ https://torrentfreak.com/after-4-years-copyright-holders-sti... They haven't even always been good to their own clients: https://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-lawfirm-defrauded-rightsholders-out-of-millions-150702/ https://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-lawfirm-defrauded-right...
- voxic11 2y ago
  Can you explain what that last article has to do with MarkMonitor? To me it just sounds like MarkMonitor once bought a company from a law firm which was sued for fraud 5 years after the sale was completed. So it doesn't appear that MarkMonitor was in any way related to the fraud which occurred.
  - autoexec 2y ago
    Good call out! If Schlüter didn't continue doing work for DtecNet after the sale to MarkMonitor then we can't really blame MarkMonitor for the things he was doing 5 years later.

nickvec 2y ago

Curious what your rationale is for Zoom being a terrible company? I don't disagree.

autoexec 2y ago
I decided zoom was a bad company very early for security and privacy reasons https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/8/20687014/zoom-security-flaw-video-conference-websites-hijack-mac-cameras https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/8/20687014/zoom-security-fla... https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/move-fast-roll-your-own-crypto-a-quick-look-at-the-confidentiality-of-zoom-meetings/ https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/move-fast-roll-your-own-crypto... The endless stream of news on privacy problems and vulnerabilities that have come to light since then have only made me feel better about that initial opinion. https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/08/zoom-data-mining-for-ai-terms-gdpr-eprivacy/ https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/08/zoom-data-mining-for-ai-te... https://www.tomsguide.com/news/zoom-security-privacy-woes https://www.tomsguide.com/news/zoom-security-privacy-woes https://cybersecuritynews.com/zoom-app-vulnerability/ https://cybersecuritynews.com/zoom-app-vulnerability/ https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/15/zoom_privilege_escalation/ https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/15/zoom_privilege_escala... https://gbhackers.com/zoom-security-update-patches-multiple-vulnerabilities/ https://gbhackers.com/zoom-security-update-patches-multiple-... https://thecyberexpress.com/multiple-zoom-vulnerabilities-detected/ https://thecyberexpress.com/multiple-zoom-vulnerabilities-de...

johnisgood 2y ago

Since parent (autoexec) has provided links to all of these claims, do not let it go to the down-vote hell and disappear. Why Markmonitor is terrible: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43712299 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43712299 Why Zoom is terrible: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43712438 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43712438 If you think it is not enough to call them terrible, reply to these comments as to why not.