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My problem stays the same — finding all my music that is on Spotify from elsewhere. It costs a lot to buy those music files and that too if they are available (

My problem stays the same — finding all my music that is on Spotify from elsewhere. It costs a lot to buy those music files and that too if they are available (which isn’t always the case) and even after I buy I am not sure what were the T&C from that particular place I bought - whether I really own it, I don’t, a bit but not fully - etc. Finding from Linux ISO sites is a nightmare and an extra bad nightmare if we are talking about some 2K - 0.6K songs (because I have 600 from before I started streaming). I wish there was an easy way for this - plug and play kinda.

OsrsNeedsf2P 2y ago
This is a vendor lock-in more than anything. As someone who listens to mostly dubstep and EDM and built my playlist off of Spotify, I can't move to Spotify because they don't have half my playlists
IlikeKitties 2y ago
You can rip them from tidal quite easily. Youtube also has lots of music to rip but in shitty quality. That being said, music piracy has declined quite a bit since spotify. I'd suggest getting into a private music tracker if you really want to.
- jnaina 2y ago
  wrote a python tool to do daily scrapes from a russian music tracker site and sync all the titles onto a mariadb database. led me to discover all sorts of music which I would otherwise not able to stumble up on across all my 4 paid music subscriptions (Apple Music, Spotify, Tidal and Amazon Music). Some that I could not find on these music services, now live on my private Roon server. Mostly ancient multichannel formats, DSD/SACD and vinyl rips. And some precious private live recordings from concerts long gone, as in decades ago.
- crossroadsguy 2y ago
  Tidal is not available in my country.
  - IlikeKitties 2y ago
    You could of course use your technical ability to work around that limitation or figure out other ways to pirate the music you like. I just wanted to add another helpful option for self hosters. But thank you for mentioning that Tidal is unavailable in your hitherto unmentioned country, your contribution to this discussion is valuable and appreciated.
bhaney 2y ago
> I wish there was an easy way for this - plug and play kinda I can click a button in Lidarr to auth with Spotify and automatically search usenet for every album of every artist I follow on spotify, download them all, and make them available in Jellyfin. It'll even monitor the spotify account and import new additions. Getting the whole stack set up is pretty much the exact opposite of plug and play, but once you have it all installed it's amazing how much becomes smooth sailing. 2K songs is nothing for this kind of stack.
- afavour 2y ago
  I'm going to assume OP isn't interested in piracy given they were talking about buying...
  - bhaney 2y ago
    They said "finding from Linux ISO sites is a nightmare" and I took that to be a euphemism for piracy sites. They just find navigating and using those sites to be annoying, which is totally fair if you don't have software doing it for you.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  Life-changing. Thank you.
- sailfast 2y ago
  Sure, but that’s piracy. Kinda like saying Winamp is alternative to Spotify. The music is kinda the most important thing.
  - bhaney 2y ago
    > Sure, but that’s piracy You got me there > Kinda like saying Winamp is alternative to Spotify No, it's really not like saying that. I was responding to a post lamenting the difficulty of acquiring the files for the music they've already discovered on Spotify, and I brought up a music file acquisition system that pulls from what they've discovered on Spotify. That's different than comparing a local player to a discovery system.
jjulius 2y ago
>It costs a lot to buy those music files... And the artists and everyone who worked on it thank you very much for paying for an album/song instead of just paying a streaming subscription fee.
- crossroadsguy 2y ago
  Actually most of them are dead and no their families are not getting anything either I am pretty sure. Heck almost 80% of my songs I won’t be able to buy from anywhere at all. Fun fact: I bought an MP3 from a record label site in my country and the file was from songs.pk. Yup! There you go - artists thanking me :)
HexPhantom 2y ago
And like you said, even when you do buy tracks, the T&C are murky. Some platforms basically treat it like a long-term lease rather than true ownership. Honestly, what we need is a modern, ethical "one-click" export + purchase system that lets you grab your current library in lossless format and actually own it.
thaumasiotes 2y ago
> It costs a lot to buy those music files and that too if they are available (which isn’t always the case) Virtually all music, particularly modern music, is made available for free on YouTube. You can download it and it's yours. For example, here's the official release of Taylor Swift's album "Evermore" for YouTube ("Provided to YouTube by Universal Music Group"): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxrMpCMdYwk&list=OLAK5uy_m-vSVOiVeY_z2lPgThmS6Nn0TJExXZtOg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxrMpCMdYwk&list=OLAK5uy_m-v... . You should be able to pass the playlist to yt-dlp and automatically extract all the audio tracks. I don't really want wholesale quantities of music, so I do this manually, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's tooling around for it.
ryanprop 1y ago
My use case is that I sometimes like to use my subscription music on an offline MP3 player. So I keep my YTM subscription and am using https://github.com/ryanprop/ytm-dumper https://github.com/ryanprop/ytm-dumper to download its files and put them on my MP3 player. This might work for your use case too, though if you're just using it to grab content, the artists won't get royalties..., then again that seems to be the same for Linux ISO sites.

OsrsNeedsf2P 2y ago

This is a vendor lock-in more than anything. As someone who listens to mostly dubstep and EDM and built my playlist off of Spotify, I can't move to Spotify because they don't have half my playlists

IlikeKitties 2y ago

You can rip them from tidal quite easily. Youtube also has lots of music to rip but in shitty quality. That being said, music piracy has declined quite a bit since spotify. I'd suggest getting into a private music tracker if you really want to.

jnaina 2y ago
wrote a python tool to do daily scrapes from a russian music tracker site and sync all the titles onto a mariadb database. led me to discover all sorts of music which I would otherwise not able to stumble up on across all my 4 paid music subscriptions (Apple Music, Spotify, Tidal and Amazon Music). Some that I could not find on these music services, now live on my private Roon server. Mostly ancient multichannel formats, DSD/SACD and vinyl rips. And some precious private live recordings from concerts long gone, as in decades ago.
crossroadsguy 2y ago
Tidal is not available in my country.
- IlikeKitties 2y ago
  You could of course use your technical ability to work around that limitation or figure out other ways to pirate the music you like. I just wanted to add another helpful option for self hosters. But thank you for mentioning that Tidal is unavailable in your hitherto unmentioned country, your contribution to this discussion is valuable and appreciated.

bhaney 2y ago

> I wish there was an easy way for this - plug and play kinda I can click a button in Lidarr to auth with Spotify and automatically search usenet for every album of every artist I follow on spotify, download them all, and make them available in Jellyfin. It'll even monitor the spotify account and import new additions. Getting the whole stack set up is pretty much the exact opposite of plug and play, but once you have it all installed it's amazing how much becomes smooth sailing. 2K songs is nothing for this kind of stack.

afavour 2y ago
I'm going to assume OP isn't interested in piracy given they were talking about buying...
- bhaney 2y ago
  They said "finding from Linux ISO sites is a nightmare" and I took that to be a euphemism for piracy sites. They just find navigating and using those sites to be annoying, which is totally fair if you don't have software doing it for you.
toomuchtodo 2y ago
Life-changing. Thank you.
sailfast 2y ago
Sure, but that’s piracy. Kinda like saying Winamp is alternative to Spotify. The music is kinda the most important thing.
- bhaney 2y ago
  > Sure, but that’s piracy You got me there > Kinda like saying Winamp is alternative to Spotify No, it's really not like saying that. I was responding to a post lamenting the difficulty of acquiring the files for the music they've already discovered on Spotify, and I brought up a music file acquisition system that pulls from what they've discovered on Spotify. That's different than comparing a local player to a discovery system.

jjulius 2y ago

>It costs a lot to buy those music files... And the artists and everyone who worked on it thank you very much for paying for an album/song instead of just paying a streaming subscription fee.

crossroadsguy 2y ago
Actually most of them are dead and no their families are not getting anything either I am pretty sure. Heck almost 80% of my songs I won’t be able to buy from anywhere at all. Fun fact: I bought an MP3 from a record label site in my country and the file was from songs.pk. Yup! There you go - artists thanking me :)

HexPhantom 2y ago

And like you said, even when you do buy tracks, the T&C are murky. Some platforms basically treat it like a long-term lease rather than true ownership. Honestly, what we need is a modern, ethical "one-click" export + purchase system that lets you grab your current library in lossless format and actually own it.

thaumasiotes 2y ago

> It costs a lot to buy those music files and that too if they are available (which isn’t always the case) Virtually all music, particularly modern music, is made available for free on YouTube. You can download it and it's yours. For example, here's the official release of Taylor Swift's album "Evermore" for YouTube ("Provided to YouTube by Universal Music Group"): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxrMpCMdYwk&list=OLAK5uy_m-vSVOiVeY_z2lPgThmS6Nn0TJExXZtOg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxrMpCMdYwk&list=OLAK5uy_m-v... . You should be able to pass the playlist to yt-dlp and automatically extract all the audio tracks. I don't really want wholesale quantities of music, so I do this manually, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's tooling around for it.

ryanprop 1y ago

My use case is that I sometimes like to use my subscription music on an offline MP3 player. So I keep my YTM subscription and am using https://github.com/ryanprop/ytm-dumper https://github.com/ryanprop/ytm-dumper to download its files and put them on my MP3 player. This might work for your use case too, though if you're just using it to grab content, the artists won't get royalties..., then again that seems to be the same for Linux ISO sites.