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The high profile ex-NSA whistleblowers in the press right now are making plenty of statements about these new systems. I don't recall anything about video surv

The high profile ex-NSA whistleblowers in the press right now are making plenty of statements about these new systems. I don't recall anything about video surveillance specifically, but what they are concerned about is the database of dossiers on everyone that includes all of the multimedia information available. They have internet traffic, email, cell information (movements) but I don't know what else is collected. Maybe someone who's done more reading on the subject can pipe up.

smsm42 14y ago
Any links to these whistleblowers that tell about dossiers on everyone including internet traffic and movements?
- freshhawk 14y ago
  http://www.businessinsider.com/nsa-whistleblower-says-the-government-is-gathering-data-on-every-us-citizen-2012-7 http://www.businessinsider.com/nsa-whistleblower-says-the-go... http://www.democracynow.org/2012/4/20/exclusive_national_security_agency_whistleblower_william http://www.democracynow.org/2012/4/20/exclusive_national_sec... Isn't internet traffic a non secret now after the warrantless spying program fiasco that whistleblower Diane Roark allegedly leaked? And if you have cell phone information you have movement information, I haven't heard anything specifically about movement other than that.
  - smsm42 14y ago
    The first link has a lot of things but I think main content is distilled here: http://publicintelligence.net/binney-nsa-declaration/ http://publicintelligence.net/binney-nsa-declaration/ Where Binney says that NSA has capability to intercept electronic communications and he suspects it is doing so without privacy guards. He however does not say anything about existence of personal dossiers on every US citizen. He also makes some estimates of new (not yet existing) NSA data storage capacity, and deduces this amount of storage may only be needed if NSA plans to capture and store all traffic without filtering. However, this system does not actually exist as of yet, and his estimates are based on "some reports" and are hard to verify. While of course extreme suspicion may be prudent in every case where a lot of taxpayer dollars is spent on building new surveillance infrastructure by an agency that has had proven its disregard for privacy, it alone does not prove current existence of the program as described above. The second link describes the program which was explicitly made to exclude US citizens, but after 9/11 they used also data on US citizens provided by telecoms, such as AT&T - namely billing data (i.e. who talked to whom). I see no mention on them having access to location data or internet traffic, or them doing it for every US citizen. Binney was understandably outraged about warrantless surveillance on US citizens and had quit, however he neither proves not implies there's a systematic program of the extent mentioned above (i.e. personal dossier on communications, location, etc. of every person in US), unless I have missed something there.

smsm42 14y ago

Any links to these whistleblowers that tell about dossiers on everyone including internet traffic and movements?

freshhawk 14y ago
http://www.businessinsider.com/nsa-whistleblower-says-the-government-is-gathering-data-on-every-us-citizen-2012-7 http://www.businessinsider.com/nsa-whistleblower-says-the-go... http://www.democracynow.org/2012/4/20/exclusive_national_security_agency_whistleblower_william http://www.democracynow.org/2012/4/20/exclusive_national_sec... Isn't internet traffic a non secret now after the warrantless spying program fiasco that whistleblower Diane Roark allegedly leaked? And if you have cell phone information you have movement information, I haven't heard anything specifically about movement other than that.
- smsm42 14y ago
  The first link has a lot of things but I think main content is distilled here: http://publicintelligence.net/binney-nsa-declaration/ http://publicintelligence.net/binney-nsa-declaration/ Where Binney says that NSA has capability to intercept electronic communications and he suspects it is doing so without privacy guards. He however does not say anything about existence of personal dossiers on every US citizen. He also makes some estimates of new (not yet existing) NSA data storage capacity, and deduces this amount of storage may only be needed if NSA plans to capture and store all traffic without filtering. However, this system does not actually exist as of yet, and his estimates are based on "some reports" and are hard to verify. While of course extreme suspicion may be prudent in every case where a lot of taxpayer dollars is spent on building new surveillance infrastructure by an agency that has had proven its disregard for privacy, it alone does not prove current existence of the program as described above. The second link describes the program which was explicitly made to exclude US citizens, but after 9/11 they used also data on US citizens provided by telecoms, such as AT&T - namely billing data (i.e. who talked to whom). I see no mention on them having access to location data or internet traffic, or them doing it for every US citizen. Binney was understandably outraged about warrantless surveillance on US citizens and had quit, however he neither proves not implies there's a systematic program of the extent mentioned above (i.e. personal dossier on communications, location, etc. of every person in US), unless I have missed something there.