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Shame the entomologist didn't offer to let the guy who actually discovered, photographed, and collected the bug name it. I was waiting for that to be the happy

Shame the entomologist didn't offer to let the guy who actually discovered, photographed, and collected the bug name it. I was waiting for that to be the happy ending of the story, but surprisingly he just named it after his own daughter. [(optional) insert lame joke about proper attribution]

ajays 14y ago
Yeah, this sentence: "The new species was dubbed Semachrysa jade — not after its pale green color, but after Winterton's daughter." just bothered me. A total dick move by Winterton.
- wheels 14y ago
  It's pretty presumptuous to call someone a dick when you know none of the details of the situation. It's entirely possible that he asked the guy if he wanted to name it and he turned it down.
  - spitx 14y ago
    Only if anecdotal, I find people from English speaking nations outside of North America being incredibly opportunistic in these things. This observation purely emerges from my experience.
    - nilved 14y ago
      isn't that a bit of a generalization
    - miahi 14y ago
      Some are in for the fame, others for the money. I find North Americans incredibly opportunistic in registering patents. A friend that does network support outsourcing was complaining that their (American) boss was setting targets on number of patents registered by their support gig.
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  - orionmystery 14y ago
    I am the photographer. Shaun asked if it's okay to name it after his daughter. At that time, I thought it can't be named after the person who discovered the new species so I agreed. Anyway, that's in the past now. Click here to check out more images of this beautiful lacewing: http://orionmystery.blogspot.com/2012/08/semachrysa-jade-new-lacewing-species.html http://orionmystery.blogspot.com/2012/08/semachrysa-jade-new...
    - ajays 14y ago
      Thank you for coming here and clarifying. I hope this only encourages you to take more photographs, and one day soon you'll have a new species named after you!
      - orionmystery 14y ago
        Thank you! Oh I love nature photography, esp the smaller creatures! It will be cool to have a species named after me! :)
- mebesilly 14y ago
  I agree completely. Arrogant move by Winterton.
robertpateii 14y ago
The photographer wasn't without recognition. He is now a published co-author in a scientific journal. That's something.
- chimmy 14y ago
  if you're not in the academia rat race, "published co-author in a scientific journal" is useless.
- orionmystery 14y ago
  Not really. I am not getting much publicity out of this. No $$ for sure since the images were all under CC-BY creative common licensing. No much fame either due to the way the attribution was done. My real name was used rather than my more common nick: Kurt orionmystery. Oh well.
  - devb 14y ago
    That sucks... I hope you're not too bitter about it. Would you mind sharing your flickr page here?
    - orionmystery 14y ago
      A little, actually. But luckily I did get a bit of exposure from Yahoo News and Flickr Blog. They asked me nicely if they could use my images and how I would like to be attributed. I told them to use my nick instead of my real name, and also include link to my blog. My blog entry on this new species is here: http://orionmystery.blogspot.com/2012/08/semachrysa-jade-new-lacewing-species.html http://orionmystery.blogspot.com/2012/08/semachrysa-jade-new... You can find my flickr page from there :)
    - orionmystery 14y ago
      Daily Mail UK is the worse. The moderator wouldn't even let me comment on its page!
jtokoph 14y ago
Yeah, he should have at least put the photographer's name in there somewhere.
- inportb 14y ago
  He did: Winterton SL, Guek HP, Brooks SJ A charismatic new species of green lacewing discovered in Malaysia (Neuroptera, Chrysopidae): the confluence of citizen scientist, online image database and cybertaxonomy ZooKeys 2012; 214: 1–11. doi: 10.3897/zookeys.214.3220
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  - zachrose 14y ago
    Charismatic? Seems a bit generous. Panda bears are charismatic.
    - squidi 14y ago
      Charismatic in this sense refers to the fact that it can act a "symbol or rallying point to stimulate conservation awareness and action"[1], which seems appropriate considering the poignancy of how this species was discovered. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagship_species http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagship_species
nnash 14y ago
Just to note. > He also found a matching specimen that had been sitting in the museum's collection, unclassified, for decades.

ajays 14y ago

Yeah, this sentence: "The new species was dubbed Semachrysa jade — not after its pale green color, but after Winterton's daughter." just bothered me. A total dick move by Winterton.

wheels 14y ago
It's pretty presumptuous to call someone a dick when you know none of the details of the situation. It's entirely possible that he asked the guy if he wanted to name it and he turned it down.
- spitx 14y ago
  Only if anecdotal, I find people from English speaking nations outside of North America being incredibly opportunistic in these things. This observation purely emerges from my experience.
  - nilved 14y ago
    isn't that a bit of a generalization
  - miahi 14y ago
    Some are in for the fame, others for the money. I find North Americans incredibly opportunistic in registering patents. A friend that does network support outsourcing was complaining that their (American) boss was setting targets on number of patents registered by their support gig.
- deleted 14y ago
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- orionmystery 14y ago
  I am the photographer. Shaun asked if it's okay to name it after his daughter. At that time, I thought it can't be named after the person who discovered the new species so I agreed. Anyway, that's in the past now. Click here to check out more images of this beautiful lacewing: http://orionmystery.blogspot.com/2012/08/semachrysa-jade-new-lacewing-species.html http://orionmystery.blogspot.com/2012/08/semachrysa-jade-new...
  - ajays 14y ago
    Thank you for coming here and clarifying. I hope this only encourages you to take more photographs, and one day soon you'll have a new species named after you!
    - orionmystery 14y ago
      Thank you! Oh I love nature photography, esp the smaller creatures! It will be cool to have a species named after me! :)
mebesilly 14y ago
I agree completely. Arrogant move by Winterton.

robertpateii 14y ago

The photographer wasn't without recognition. He is now a published co-author in a scientific journal. That's something.

chimmy 14y ago
if you're not in the academia rat race, "published co-author in a scientific journal" is useless.
orionmystery 14y ago
Not really. I am not getting much publicity out of this. No $$ for sure since the images were all under CC-BY creative common licensing. No much fame either due to the way the attribution was done. My real name was used rather than my more common nick: Kurt orionmystery. Oh well.
- devb 14y ago
  That sucks... I hope you're not too bitter about it. Would you mind sharing your flickr page here?
  - orionmystery 14y ago
    A little, actually. But luckily I did get a bit of exposure from Yahoo News and Flickr Blog. They asked me nicely if they could use my images and how I would like to be attributed. I told them to use my nick instead of my real name, and also include link to my blog. My blog entry on this new species is here: http://orionmystery.blogspot.com/2012/08/semachrysa-jade-new-lacewing-species.html http://orionmystery.blogspot.com/2012/08/semachrysa-jade-new... You can find my flickr page from there :)
  - orionmystery 14y ago
    Daily Mail UK is the worse. The moderator wouldn't even let me comment on its page!

jtokoph 14y ago

Yeah, he should have at least put the photographer's name in there somewhere.

inportb 14y ago
He did: Winterton SL, Guek HP, Brooks SJ A charismatic new species of green lacewing discovered in Malaysia (Neuroptera, Chrysopidae): the confluence of citizen scientist, online image database and cybertaxonomy ZooKeys 2012; 214: 1–11. doi: 10.3897/zookeys.214.3220
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- zachrose 14y ago
  Charismatic? Seems a bit generous. Panda bears are charismatic.
  - squidi 14y ago
    Charismatic in this sense refers to the fact that it can act a "symbol or rallying point to stimulate conservation awareness and action"[1], which seems appropriate considering the poignancy of how this species was discovered. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagship_species http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagship_species

nnash 14y ago

Just to note. > He also found a matching specimen that had been sitting in the museum's collection, unclassified, for decades.