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No thank you. I am absolutely uninterested in civil discussions with people who literally want to control everything I say and put my good friends into reeducat

No thank you. I am absolutely uninterested in civil discussions with people who literally want to control everything I say and put my good friends into reeducation camps. When you accept communism you throw the concept of civil discourse out the window.

btucker 2y ago
I understand you're trying to "both sides" an argument. What have you found that has achieved for you in the past? Do you change people's opinions with this?
- AlexandrB 2y ago
  I have found that no amount of online discussion has ever changed anyone's mind on larger issues. We're all pissing in the wind here.
  - btucker 2y ago
    Then why did you post that?
abvdasker 2y ago
Democrats haven't put anyone into a reeducation camp as far as I'm aware. Your enemies are imaginary while the parent comment's enemies are all too real.
- AlexandrB 2y ago
  Yes, but the Republicans literally want to kill some minority groups. /s Do you know how crazy this all sounds once you're outside of a specific left echo chamber? How is the hyperbole I employed any more unbelievable than that of the poster I was replying to? Another sibling comment to yours says that Trump is rounding up political opponents for a gulag. Nevermind that he has only rounded up non-citizen (most of them in the US illegally) because that's all he can do. If you look at my posting history, it's wildly left-wing as little as 2 years ago. I've become completely disillusioned with the left after noticing how self-contradictory some of those ideas are and how the language of crisis is deployed to constantly smear their political opponents. Everyone the left doesn't like is Hitler and every policy they don't like is fascism. Give me break. Edit: For a little more elaboration, look at the speech codes and compelled "DEI pledges" that American universities have employed in the last few years[1]. How is this not speech policing? You might argue that these are private institutions, and maybe that's fair enough, but when the government pulls funding for crap like this the hyperbole and outrage persist. Or look at Canada's bill C-63[2]. This bill aims to allow the possibility of life sentences for "hate speech"[3]. To me this is authoritarian. To many left wing commentators, it's another day at the office, I guess - meanwhile the Canadian right wing party is regularly called fascist[4][5] despite being basically in line with US Democrats on many issues. [1] https://unsafescience.substack.com/p/the-last-four-years-were-the-most https://unsafescience.substack.com/p/the-last-four-years-wer... [2] https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/bill/C-63/first-reading https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/bill/C-63/first-r... [3] https://bccla.org/2024/09/whats-in-bill-c-63-why-are-we-alarmed/ https://bccla.org/2024/09/whats-in-bill-c-63-why-are-we-alar... [4] https://medium.com/pigeons-peculiarities/pierre-poilievres-populism-to-fascism-pipeline-88efa3072b20 https://medium.com/pigeons-peculiarities/pierre-poilievres-p... [5] https://cultmtl.com/2025/02/pierre-poilievre-has-racked-up-endorsements-from-a-whos-who-of-fascists-fraudsters-and-alt-right-influencers/ https://cultmtl.com/2025/02/pierre-poilievre-has-racked-up-e...
  - thrance 2y ago
    Oh good, "it's only non-citizens". Nevermind that they're still supposed to be protected by the constitution, then. Also, Trump said two days ago that he wishes to send citizens to El Salvador too [1]. Are we allowed to call them fascist or should we wait for that to be made illegal too? Trump does not care about the law. SCOTUS, in a historic 9-0 ruling, commanded him to bring back Kilmar Abrego Garcia from El Salvador. He unsurprisingly did not comply. Yet you're still insisting he can't legally do X or Y so everything is fine. When has that stopped him, like ever? If that's not fascism, then what is? What would it take for you to say "OK that's too much"? [1] https://apnews.com/article/trump-citizens-prison-el-salvador-illegal-79113d0ccefefd1f7d8e51c3a4c3defd https://apnews.com/article/trump-citizens-prison-el-salvador...
frob 2y ago
What you are saying is the fantastical kool-aid Fox News and alt-right media spin to you. In the meantime, Trump is actually deporting people without due process to inhumane torture camps run by a dictator while openly bragging about it and defying court orders. These two things are not the same.
- AlexandrB 2y ago
  > What you are saying is the fantastical kool-aid Fox News and alt-right media spin to you. What I'm replying to is the fantastical Kool-aid MSNBC and alt-left media spin. I'm pretty sure the Republicans are not going to be rounding up and killing minorities despite hyperbolic descriptions like "people who literally want to kill me and deport my good friends to guantanamo bay cuba". Wait, you're saying El Salvador is a dictatorship? From briefly glancing at Wikipedia I don't see any evidence of that. Why the need to smear another country just to make Trump look worse?
miningape 2y ago
Any argument where you can change a few words and it suddenly makes the opposite point was never a good argument to begin with. In short: it doesn't convince you of anything, it merely reinforces your existing biases.
thrance 2y ago
Insane talk. Where is that communist political force seeking to open gulags? The Democrats? Hahahahah Trump has a gulag in El Salvador, right now, that he uses to send his political opponents to. And you people are still making up fantasies to play the victim. Absolutely disgusting.
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DrillShopper 2y ago
> people who literally want to control everything I say and put my good friends into reeducation camps Then you shouldn't talk to Trump supporters as that's exactly what they want to do for anyone that disagrees with them, and last I checked, they're capitalists. They are planning on abducting people off the street, completely ignoring the courts and denying due process, and sending them to another country where they're being deprived of their rights, again, with no due process and no (effective) judicial review. I'd expect most right wingers would be against this, but the Orange in Charge's supporters seem to hew to the "well if you didn't do anything wrong you've got nothing to worry about" angle because it's something happening to people they think deserve it.
- AlexandrB 2y ago
  > but the Orange in Charge's supporters seem to hew to the "well if you didn't do anything wrong you've got nothing to worry about" angle because it's something happening to people they think deserve it. This is literally the left wing reply when people complain about losing their job or their family for voicing the wrong political belief. "They deserve it, they should 'do better'."
  - DrillShopper 2y ago
    There is a huge difference between losing your job and being black bagged, sent to El Salvador, and possibly killed. Let's keep that in perspective.
enraged_camel 2y ago
I don't think any Democrat has ever put anyone into reeducation camps. I may be mistaken though - can you cite some examples?
- AlexandrB 2y ago
  I don't think any Republican has advocated for a policy of killing minorities. The hyperbole of my post is the point.

btucker 2y ago

I understand you're trying to "both sides" an argument. What have you found that has achieved for you in the past? Do you change people's opinions with this?

AlexandrB 2y ago
I have found that no amount of online discussion has ever changed anyone's mind on larger issues. We're all pissing in the wind here.
- btucker 2y ago
  Then why did you post that?

abvdasker 2y ago

Democrats haven't put anyone into a reeducation camp as far as I'm aware. Your enemies are imaginary while the parent comment's enemies are all too real.

AlexandrB 2y ago
Yes, but the Republicans literally want to kill some minority groups. /s Do you know how crazy this all sounds once you're outside of a specific left echo chamber? How is the hyperbole I employed any more unbelievable than that of the poster I was replying to? Another sibling comment to yours says that Trump is rounding up political opponents for a gulag. Nevermind that he has only rounded up non-citizen (most of them in the US illegally) because that's all he can do. If you look at my posting history, it's wildly left-wing as little as 2 years ago. I've become completely disillusioned with the left after noticing how self-contradictory some of those ideas are and how the language of crisis is deployed to constantly smear their political opponents. Everyone the left doesn't like is Hitler and every policy they don't like is fascism. Give me break. Edit: For a little more elaboration, look at the speech codes and compelled "DEI pledges" that American universities have employed in the last few years[1]. How is this not speech policing? You might argue that these are private institutions, and maybe that's fair enough, but when the government pulls funding for crap like this the hyperbole and outrage persist. Or look at Canada's bill C-63[2]. This bill aims to allow the possibility of life sentences for "hate speech"[3]. To me this is authoritarian. To many left wing commentators, it's another day at the office, I guess - meanwhile the Canadian right wing party is regularly called fascist[4][5] despite being basically in line with US Democrats on many issues. [1] https://unsafescience.substack.com/p/the-last-four-years-were-the-most https://unsafescience.substack.com/p/the-last-four-years-wer... [2] https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/bill/C-63/first-reading https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/bill/C-63/first-r... [3] https://bccla.org/2024/09/whats-in-bill-c-63-why-are-we-alarmed/ https://bccla.org/2024/09/whats-in-bill-c-63-why-are-we-alar... [4] https://medium.com/pigeons-peculiarities/pierre-poilievres-populism-to-fascism-pipeline-88efa3072b20 https://medium.com/pigeons-peculiarities/pierre-poilievres-p... [5] https://cultmtl.com/2025/02/pierre-poilievre-has-racked-up-endorsements-from-a-whos-who-of-fascists-fraudsters-and-alt-right-influencers/ https://cultmtl.com/2025/02/pierre-poilievre-has-racked-up-e...
- thrance 2y ago
  Oh good, "it's only non-citizens". Nevermind that they're still supposed to be protected by the constitution, then. Also, Trump said two days ago that he wishes to send citizens to El Salvador too [1]. Are we allowed to call them fascist or should we wait for that to be made illegal too? Trump does not care about the law. SCOTUS, in a historic 9-0 ruling, commanded him to bring back Kilmar Abrego Garcia from El Salvador. He unsurprisingly did not comply. Yet you're still insisting he can't legally do X or Y so everything is fine. When has that stopped him, like ever? If that's not fascism, then what is? What would it take for you to say "OK that's too much"? [1] https://apnews.com/article/trump-citizens-prison-el-salvador-illegal-79113d0ccefefd1f7d8e51c3a4c3defd https://apnews.com/article/trump-citizens-prison-el-salvador...

frob 2y ago

What you are saying is the fantastical kool-aid Fox News and alt-right media spin to you. In the meantime, Trump is actually deporting people without due process to inhumane torture camps run by a dictator while openly bragging about it and defying court orders. These two things are not the same.

AlexandrB 2y ago
> What you are saying is the fantastical kool-aid Fox News and alt-right media spin to you. What I'm replying to is the fantastical Kool-aid MSNBC and alt-left media spin. I'm pretty sure the Republicans are not going to be rounding up and killing minorities despite hyperbolic descriptions like "people who literally want to kill me and deport my good friends to guantanamo bay cuba". Wait, you're saying El Salvador is a dictatorship? From briefly glancing at Wikipedia I don't see any evidence of that. Why the need to smear another country just to make Trump look worse?

miningape 2y ago

Any argument where you can change a few words and it suddenly makes the opposite point was never a good argument to begin with. In short: it doesn't convince you of anything, it merely reinforces your existing biases.

thrance 2y ago

Insane talk. Where is that communist political force seeking to open gulags? The Democrats? Hahahahah Trump has a gulag in El Salvador, right now, that he uses to send his political opponents to. And you people are still making up fantasies to play the victim. Absolutely disgusting.

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DrillShopper 2y ago

> people who literally want to control everything I say and put my good friends into reeducation camps Then you shouldn't talk to Trump supporters as that's exactly what they want to do for anyone that disagrees with them, and last I checked, they're capitalists. They are planning on abducting people off the street, completely ignoring the courts and denying due process, and sending them to another country where they're being deprived of their rights, again, with no due process and no (effective) judicial review. I'd expect most right wingers would be against this, but the Orange in Charge's supporters seem to hew to the "well if you didn't do anything wrong you've got nothing to worry about" angle because it's something happening to people they think deserve it.

AlexandrB 2y ago
> but the Orange in Charge's supporters seem to hew to the "well if you didn't do anything wrong you've got nothing to worry about" angle because it's something happening to people they think deserve it. This is literally the left wing reply when people complain about losing their job or their family for voicing the wrong political belief. "They deserve it, they should 'do better'."
- DrillShopper 2y ago
  There is a huge difference between losing your job and being black bagged, sent to El Salvador, and possibly killed. Let's keep that in perspective.

enraged_camel 2y ago

I don't think any Democrat has ever put anyone into reeducation camps. I may be mistaken though - can you cite some examples?

AlexandrB 2y ago
I don't think any Republican has advocated for a policy of killing minorities. The hyperbole of my post is the point.