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Two tipping points for officially becoming a dictatorship could occur this week
- suraci 2y ago[flagged]
- ndsipa_pomu 2y agoArresting someone and filing charges to be heard in a court is a normal thing to do (not that I agree with Assange's arrest). Grabbing someone off the street and sending them to a foreign prison without any evidence whatsoever that they have committed any crimes, without any charges being brought and without any chance for the person to defend themselves is clearly not deportation but is an illegal kidnapping.
- suraci 2y agoThat's what I meant the key is if there is a court or not, everything else is only secondary importance
- SecretDreams 2y agoDue process is supper important. But it also needs to be bipartisan/impartial. Otherwise, it's just a dictatorship with extra pazazz.
- ndsipa_pomu 2y agoI thought your comment was being ironic and your use of the word "deportation" serves to legitimise the crime.
- suraci 2y agoi copied "Deportation of Kilmar Abrego Garcia" from wikipedia directly https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_Kilmar_Abrego_Garcia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_Kilmar_Abrego...
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- dave4420 2y agoHe’s conflating a few things. I don’t think becoming an illiberal democracy is the same thing as becoming a dictatorship. Still sucks for America though.
- ndsipa_pomu 2y agoWhat are those things that he's conflating? Personally, I don't see a sharp dividing line between illiberal "democracy" and dictatorships and surely both labels could apply.
- loudmax 2y agoViktor Orban's Hungary is illiberal. North Korea is a dictatorship. One is bad, the other is worse. The danger of conflating the two is that you're setting people up for false expectations. If you go around telling people that Hungary is a dictatorship just like North Korea, and then they visit Hungary, they might away with the notion that Orban is not so bad. Nobody is starving, and they won't happen to notice the reporters in prison. You run the danger of undermining your own credibility.
- ndsipa_pomu 2y agoI'm not convinced that you can have one without the other. A dictatorship is when you have a leader or group of leaders with almost no limitations on their power. That would seem to apply to both Hungary and North Korea (and also the U.S. if the courts are powerless to enforce law abidance by the leader). I suppose that I consider illiberal "democracies" to be a flavour of dictatorships.
- garaetjjte 2y agoI think the difference is that in "illiberal democracy" there are still non-falsified elections, so the leader can technically lose.
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