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HN and founders will say "no politics here" on the regulated internet, drinking regulated water, eating regulated food, breathing regulated air.
by h1fra 2y ago
HN and founders will say "no politics here" on the regulated internet, drinking regulated water, eating regulated food, breathing regulated air.
- pjc50 2y agoApart from the few maniacs On Here who seek out the unregulated intentionally. Raw milk (all those tasty diseases). "Research chemicals" (don't hear so much about that lately, but there were whole microdosing fads).
- franktankbank 2y agoRaw milk is delicious, my ancestors have been drinking it for millennia.
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- chillingeffect 2y agoAnd we enjoyed our milkborne tuberculosis, typhoid, scarlet fever, diphtheria, and septic sore throat thoroughly, too. The risks actually doubled the joys. Why does a supposedly enlightened society step all over my right to choose which eliminated diseases to bring back?
- pixl97 2y agoOooh, ooh, oh, don't forget the brucellosis either. But hey, I only get to enjoy this if the measles here in Texas don't get me first.
- user_7832 2y agoIsn't this literally survivorship bias? Those who died early wouldn't have had offspring. 1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias
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- franktankbank 2y agoNot saying its a good choice for those whose ancestors didn't go through the selection process.
- JumpCrisscross 2y agoYour ancestors didn’t face bird flu. That said, I’m for people being idiots. I’m just done paying for it. If you’re chugging raw milk during a bird flu epidemic and your family gets sick because of it, basic insurance and the public should only pick up the cost after you’ve declared bankruptcy.
- franktankbank 2y agoSimilarly I wish I could enact carveouts so I wasn't supporting peoples health problems related to commenting way too much on the internet, hackernews in particular.
- numpad0 2y agonot everyone's ancestors
- bluGill 2y agoOnly about 1/3rd of the world. However by coincidence fluency in English correlates high with ability to drink milk as an adult.
- skywhopper 2y agoAnd many of them died from doing so.
- nindalf 2y agoMilk is my main drink. I don't drink beer or wine, it's mostly just plain milk for me. And while there is a substantial taste difference based on the % of fat, I have never seen a difference in taste between pasteurised and non-pasteurised. I actually bought a bottle of raw milk from a farmer just to try it. No negative effects, but it just tasted insipid compared to 5.4% fat milk I can get at the supermarket. People who claim a taste difference between raw and pasteurised, I'd very much like to see someone taste the difference on the same cow's milk blind, before and after pasteurisation. I just don't think it affects the taste much, and certainly not as much as fat %. And for people who claim health benefits, I would like to see a double blind study demonstrating those benefits.
- franktankbank 2y agoYou may be onto something about the different cows. This was while I lived in France temporarily. I had no idea that I was drinking raw milk. I was commenting how delicious it was and a coworker said "oh is that the stuff you have to boil". Me "wut". It was much better than the supermarket milk I could get.
- ceejayoz 2y agoIt isn’t raw if it’s been boiled. That’s pasteurized. At a higher temp than the supermarket stuff, even.
- franktankbank 2y agoMight not have been clear. I wasn't boiling it because I couldn't read the french instructions.
- AlexandrB 2y agoThe confounding factor is milk fat. In my experience higher fat milk just tastes better regardless of any other factor and milk straight from the cow will have up to 5% milk fat compared to 3.25% for "whole" milk. Try drinking a shot glass of 10% cream sometime, it's amazing.
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- Nihilartikel 2y agoI'd consider drinking raw milk only if I was on a first name basis with the cow that produced it. Otherwise I would at least demand it be fermented into kefir so the food microbes can muscle out the bad.
- bluGill 2y agoThat won't make a difference. Bacteria is something you cannot see and so you have no idea what is on/in the cow.
- xolox 2y agoIt sure can make a difference. Sickness caused by bacteria doesn't happen as soon as one bad bacteria (bacterium?) enters your body, a certain critical mass is usually required. This is very similar to the concept of "viral load" where a certain amount of viral genetic material needs to be exchanged before the viral infection can take hold. The "beneficial bacteria" on your skin and in your gut make it harder for bad bacteria to take root in many different ways, one of them simply being they provide competition, "crowding out the bad guys". Another way is that many, many, many types of antibiotics were originally discovered as metabolites produced by bacteria and fungi (examples include penicillin, streptomycin, chloramphenicol, and tetracycline). And for completeness sake, milk kefir contains many Lactobacillus species that are also a natural part of the mammal microbiome (which makes sense when you think about it; Lactobacillus are named for consuming lactose, an ingredient of mammal milk).
- mr_toad 2y ago> Raw milk is delicious, my ancestors have been drinking it for millennia. Before refrigeration most milk was made into butter, cheese and other products. Unless your ancestors actually herded the animals themselves they probably didn’t drink much raw milk.
- avisser 2y agoBanning raw milk is for health. Banning research chemicals is mostly an extension of the war on drugs. They aren't the same.
- b112 2y agoWill all of these things be free of micro plastics and other contaminants? If so, is there a signup page?
- mulnz 2y agoWait these regulations haven't created total perfection? Better burn the whole thing down.
- fnord77 2y ago> regulated ... not for long