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Animal welfare is pretty bad right now, so that is consistent with nobody caring.

9rx 2y ago
So, given that nobody cares, we don't need said laws, do we? (I understand why you as an individual might desire them, but the world doesn't revolve around an individual)
- adrianN 2y ago
  Most people don’t care about most things we need laws for, that’s why we generally don’t use direct democracy.
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  - 9rx 2y ago
    They do care at the time the laws are created, else what would motivate the laws to be created? It is true that laws can often languish on the books long after sentiment has moved on. Representative democracy simply introduces a messenger, allowing democracy to happen locally even where the people are spread over large areas. The people at the local level carry out democracy locally and the product of that is compiled with the products from other locales by the messengers. The action of the messenger is recorded to ensure that the will didn't change in transit. It doesn't introduce a dictator to invent laws for you like you seem to suggest. It is still by the action of the people. I mean, it can introduce a dictator if the people forget to participate in democracy. Someone will rise up and take charge if everyone else completely ignores what is going on. That might be what you are imagining. But you don't really have a democracy (representative or direct) if the people are not active participants. A democracy in name only isn't actually a democracy. While an assumption of a democracy was made for the sake of discussion, it was recognized that the world is bigger than democracy.
rasz 2y ago
For at least several years now EU has direct subsidies for entrancing cow welfare. Things like free range grazing at least 120 days per year, minimal space per cow etc.
- 9rx 2y ago
  That's a bit different. That's: We have the consumer willingness to see the market shift towards having an interest in animal welfare but we'd like to reduce the onus on the poor.

9rx 2y ago

So, given that nobody cares, we don't need said laws, do we? (I understand why you as an individual might desire them, but the world doesn't revolve around an individual)

adrianN 2y ago
Most people don’t care about most things we need laws for, that’s why we generally don’t use direct democracy.
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- 9rx 2y ago
  They do care at the time the laws are created, else what would motivate the laws to be created? It is true that laws can often languish on the books long after sentiment has moved on. Representative democracy simply introduces a messenger, allowing democracy to happen locally even where the people are spread over large areas. The people at the local level carry out democracy locally and the product of that is compiled with the products from other locales by the messengers. The action of the messenger is recorded to ensure that the will didn't change in transit. It doesn't introduce a dictator to invent laws for you like you seem to suggest. It is still by the action of the people. I mean, it can introduce a dictator if the people forget to participate in democracy. Someone will rise up and take charge if everyone else completely ignores what is going on. That might be what you are imagining. But you don't really have a democracy (representative or direct) if the people are not active participants. A democracy in name only isn't actually a democracy. While an assumption of a democracy was made for the sake of discussion, it was recognized that the world is bigger than democracy.

rasz 2y ago

For at least several years now EU has direct subsidies for entrancing cow welfare. Things like free range grazing at least 120 days per year, minimal space per cow etc.

9rx 2y ago
That's a bit different. That's: We have the consumer willingness to see the market shift towards having an interest in animal welfare but we'd like to reduce the onus on the poor.