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> the bad men say the mean things You really lose all credibility when you downplay the richest man on earth openly bribing voters and the President claiming t

by KPGv2 2y ago

> the bad men say the mean things You really lose all credibility when you downplay the richest man on earth openly bribing voters and the President claiming the man helped rig voting machines, and that same man makes Nazi salutes and goes to Europe and supports the Nazi party in the place where they invented Nazi parties. And then he basically moves into the White House and magically his companies start getting government contracts, while saying empathy is a bad thing and begins eviscerating the government with no oversight. That isn't "bad men saying bad things." But, of course, this very bad man did say some very bad things, too.

none4methx 2y ago
There’s no reason it should cost credibility to say that these people are motivated by an enjoyment of the spectacle of their cruelty and do it on purpose. Bad man has a moral connotation as well as a tradecraft connotation. Neither one of you is wrong to use the Bad Man monicker here.
danielktdoranie 2y ago
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- ryandrake 2y ago
  If it wasn't a nazi salute, why don't you go into work tomorrow and do it (exactly as Musk did it) in front of your manager, and then let us know what happens.
  - eakspeasy 2y ago
    I’m no fan of Musk, but this is silly. If I thought Musk was being falsely painted as a Nazi due to a gesture made innocuously, doing it myself so other people could falsely call me a Nazi would hardly convince me that Elon was actually a Nazi. Like, I know an erudite person (“Bill”) who uses the word “niggard” as defined (miser), without any ill intentions whatsoever. Maybe there are edgelords who intentionally use it because of its similarity to you-know-what, but not this guy. If someone did try to convince me that Bill says it to be an edgelord, and told me to try using it myself and see how people react, I would no doubt get falsely accused of using it in a bad way myself. That wouldn’t convince me that Bill has bad intentions, it would only reaffirm my existing belief that people can misinterpret innocuous things.
  - danielktdoranie 2y ago
    Funny have done a very similar hand gesture when giving a small speach at a going away party. Anecdotally, I don't have a manager any longer as I have retired from my career due to a chronic illness that has effectively left me disabled BUT I do play a few songs every Friday night (tonight) and I will do the exact same guesture and say exactly what Elon said when I leave :-) Saying “I give you my heart” and then making a gesture of giving the crowd your heart is not a “nazi salute”. If that is a nazi salute then Hillary Clinton and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez have both given “nazi salutes”.
- vel0city 2y ago
  Just one little example: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/03/starlink-benefits-as-trump-admin-rewrites-rules-for-42b-grant-program/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/03/starlink-benefit... And it 100% was a Nazi salute. Plain as day. Quit telling people to ignore what their own eyes can see. Him saying a little phrase after doing that gesture doesn't change the gesture. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk_salute_controversy#/media/File:Elon_Musk_gesture.gif https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk_salute_controversy#/... > Imagine being trigger by a department of government finding fraud, waste They're doing nothing of the sort. They'll probably only end up wasting more money than anything they're "saving", which is really "saving" in the same way as not paying your rent is "saving".
  - danielktdoranie 2y ago
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- sleepybrett 2y ago
  There are ways to battle waste, fraud, and abuse that do not resort to 'parachute into the middle of an agency, fire most of the staff and then walk away congratulating yourself because you eliminated waste, fraud, and abuse.' Sure you lowered the spend of the agency, but you probably, by removing all the people who actively investigate/police waste, fraud and abuse, promoted more people to defraud the agency and not get caught. Congratulations, you played yourself.
  - danielktdoranie 2y ago
    Yet the government hasn’t fallen apart. I also don’t agree witn your cartoonish assessment of how DOGE goes about eliminating waste and fraud, the blatant fraud in the Social Security Department is more than evidence of that. How many 140 year olds do you know?
    - sleepybrett 2y ago
      there is no proven blatant fraud in the SSA, the SSA actually prevents a ton of fraud. You clearly see elon tweet some dumb shit that he DOES NOT understand, and ignore all the people that correct him. jesus expand your fucking media diet you absolute loon: https://www.marketplace.org/story/2025/02/20/150-year-olds-are-not-receiving-social-security-payments https://www.marketplace.org/story/2025/02/20/150-year-olds-a...
      - SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
        So the billions of dollars going out to people over age, under age, and with birthdays in the future… Those were all just made up stories to you?
        sleepybrett 2y ago
        Since you sight no sources I'm afraid I can't refute them. I thought tech guys were supposed to be smart.
plagiarist 2y ago
I recognize their username. I would say it is deliberate that they overlook seriously concerning events in a manner that is patronizing and disrespectful to the people they disagree with.

by KPGv2 2y ago

none4methx 2y ago

There’s no reason it should cost credibility to say that these people are motivated by an enjoyment of the spectacle of their cruelty and do it on purpose. Bad man has a moral connotation as well as a tradecraft connotation. Neither one of you is wrong to use the Bad Man monicker here.

danielktdoranie 2y ago

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ryandrake 2y ago
If it wasn't a nazi salute, why don't you go into work tomorrow and do it (exactly as Musk did it) in front of your manager, and then let us know what happens.
- eakspeasy 2y ago
  I’m no fan of Musk, but this is silly. If I thought Musk was being falsely painted as a Nazi due to a gesture made innocuously, doing it myself so other people could falsely call me a Nazi would hardly convince me that Elon was actually a Nazi. Like, I know an erudite person (“Bill”) who uses the word “niggard” as defined (miser), without any ill intentions whatsoever. Maybe there are edgelords who intentionally use it because of its similarity to you-know-what, but not this guy. If someone did try to convince me that Bill says it to be an edgelord, and told me to try using it myself and see how people react, I would no doubt get falsely accused of using it in a bad way myself. That wouldn’t convince me that Bill has bad intentions, it would only reaffirm my existing belief that people can misinterpret innocuous things.
- danielktdoranie 2y ago
  Funny have done a very similar hand gesture when giving a small speach at a going away party. Anecdotally, I don't have a manager any longer as I have retired from my career due to a chronic illness that has effectively left me disabled BUT I do play a few songs every Friday night (tonight) and I will do the exact same guesture and say exactly what Elon said when I leave :-) Saying “I give you my heart” and then making a gesture of giving the crowd your heart is not a “nazi salute”. If that is a nazi salute then Hillary Clinton and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez have both given “nazi salutes”.
vel0city 2y ago
Just one little example: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/03/starlink-benefits-as-trump-admin-rewrites-rules-for-42b-grant-program/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/03/starlink-benefit... And it 100% was a Nazi salute. Plain as day. Quit telling people to ignore what their own eyes can see. Him saying a little phrase after doing that gesture doesn't change the gesture. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk_salute_controversy#/media/File:Elon_Musk_gesture.gif https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk_salute_controversy#/... > Imagine being trigger by a department of government finding fraud, waste They're doing nothing of the sort. They'll probably only end up wasting more money than anything they're "saving", which is really "saving" in the same way as not paying your rent is "saving".
- danielktdoranie 2y ago
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sleepybrett 2y ago
There are ways to battle waste, fraud, and abuse that do not resort to 'parachute into the middle of an agency, fire most of the staff and then walk away congratulating yourself because you eliminated waste, fraud, and abuse.' Sure you lowered the spend of the agency, but you probably, by removing all the people who actively investigate/police waste, fraud and abuse, promoted more people to defraud the agency and not get caught. Congratulations, you played yourself.
- danielktdoranie 2y ago
  Yet the government hasn’t fallen apart. I also don’t agree witn your cartoonish assessment of how DOGE goes about eliminating waste and fraud, the blatant fraud in the Social Security Department is more than evidence of that. How many 140 year olds do you know?
  - sleepybrett 2y ago
    there is no proven blatant fraud in the SSA, the SSA actually prevents a ton of fraud. You clearly see elon tweet some dumb shit that he DOES NOT understand, and ignore all the people that correct him. jesus expand your fucking media diet you absolute loon: https://www.marketplace.org/story/2025/02/20/150-year-olds-are-not-receiving-social-security-payments https://www.marketplace.org/story/2025/02/20/150-year-olds-a...
    - SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
      So the billions of dollars going out to people over age, under age, and with birthdays in the future… Those were all just made up stories to you?
      - sleepybrett 2y ago
        Since you sight no sources I'm afraid I can't refute them. I thought tech guys were supposed to be smart.

plagiarist 2y ago

I recognize their username. I would say it is deliberate that they overlook seriously concerning events in a manner that is patronizing and disrespectful to the people they disagree with.