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>If cars (the non-software parts) were made like this, there would be millions of them breaking down by the side of the road daily. I’m an automotive CE… we’re
by SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
>If cars (the non-software parts) were made like this, there would be millions of them breaking down by the side of the road daily.
I’m an automotive CE… we’re getting there.
Cars used to be DONE at lots… now, there are weeks to finish code before the customer lays hands on, and that time is factored in now.
Worse with OTA updates. Now, so long as it’s fixed if enough customers complain that’s good enough.
Cars used to be great. Then some morons connected them to the internet for no good reasons.
- Shekelphile 2y ago> Then some morons connected them to the internet for no good reasons. Elon Musk and Franz von Holzhausen, to be precise.
- SV_BubbleTime 2y agoNo. Not even close. Far closer to Obama and his circle. Around Carpocalypse 2008, a bunch of three letter agencies started pushes for internet connected vehicles knowing the tech wasn’t there; but would be. I watched it happen. There was some shady shit, and the reality was 2008 wasn’t just about GM and Chrysler but and entire JustInTime mistake that could have stopped almost all car production around the world. Different topic, but the effect was government would be involved in cars a lot more than previously. Fast forward, and here we are. Your car ABSOLUTELY is spying on you, and the upside is you also get shipped unfinished vehicles. Be a culture war sally about Musk all you like, I know, the bad men say the mean things. But this isn’t on him. Tesla had to and in some ways is still learning that cars aren’t computers on wheels, but this specific “feature” came from Big Government first.
- KPGv2 2y ago> the bad men say the mean things You really lose all credibility when you downplay the richest man on earth openly bribing voters and the President claiming the man helped rig voting machines, and that same man makes Nazi salutes and goes to Europe and supports the Nazi party in the place where they invented Nazi parties. And then he basically moves into the White House and magically his companies start getting government contracts, while saying empathy is a bad thing and begins eviscerating the government with no oversight. That isn't "bad men saying bad things." But, of course, this very bad man did say some very bad things, too.
- none4methx 2y agoThere’s no reason it should cost credibility to say that these people are motivated by an enjoyment of the spectacle of their cruelty and do it on purpose. Bad man has a moral connotation as well as a tradecraft connotation. Neither one of you is wrong to use the Bad Man monicker here.
- danielktdoranie 2y ago[dead]
- ryandrake 2y agoIf it wasn't a nazi salute, why don't you go into work tomorrow and do it (exactly as Musk did it) in front of your manager, and then let us know what happens.
- eakspeasy 2y agoI’m no fan of Musk, but this is silly. If I thought Musk was being falsely painted as a Nazi due to a gesture made innocuously, doing it myself so other people could falsely call me a Nazi would hardly convince me that Elon was actually a Nazi. Like, I know an erudite person (“Bill”) who uses the word “niggard” as defined (miser), without any ill intentions whatsoever. Maybe there are edgelords who intentionally use it because of its similarity to you-know-what, but not this guy. If someone did try to convince me that Bill says it to be an edgelord, and told me to try using it myself and see how people react, I would no doubt get falsely accused of using it in a bad way myself. That wouldn’t convince me that Bill has bad intentions, it would only reaffirm my existing belief that people can misinterpret innocuous things.
- danielktdoranie 2y agoFunny have done a very similar hand gesture when giving a small speach at a going away party. Anecdotally, I don't have a manager any longer as I have retired from my career due to a chronic illness that has effectively left me disabled BUT I do play a few songs every Friday night (tonight) and I will do the exact same guesture and say exactly what Elon said when I leave :-) Saying “I give you my heart” and then making a gesture of giving the crowd your heart is not a “nazi salute”. If that is a nazi salute then Hillary Clinton and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez have both given “nazi salutes”.
- tapoxi 2y agoObama wasn't president until January 2009.
- balamatom 2y agoIn fact, I'd go so far as to say that he did not exist before January 2009 /s
- SV_BubbleTime 2y agoThe fallout was after 2009, thank you though maybe I was remembering it wrong. I wasn’t, and you were making assumptions, but good to check anyhow.
- SV_BubbleTime 2y agoAlso, you can remind me who bailed out GM and Chrysler (which again, debatable move).
- fwungy 2y agoNew cars have 3G cellular transmitters constantly sending telemetry data. This started becoming common in 2012.
- delfinom 2y agoDepends on the brand still. Honda for example only does that to the top tier touring trims because it's part of their remote-remote start offering for that trim (that you have to subscribe to)
- tmerc 2y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37971038 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37971038 4g now. 3g was turned off causing these cars to drain the battery searching for signal.
- barbazoo 2y agoThat was way before the musk rat.
- gopher_space 2y agoOTA firmware updates are so insane. Does your insurance company understand what’s going on?
- SV_BubbleTime 2y agoThere was a hack to a Cherokee featured in Wire years and years back. It was attributed to “two hackers”… yea my ass, I met both guys they knew surface level at best, these guys didn’t discover a flaw in Sprint’s network on their own. It was three letter agencies embarrassing the mfgs into “taking security more seriously” but conveniently also giving gov access, backdoors, and data on vehicles. Play the game or they’ll make sure the next article is about you. People would look at the vehicle industry a lot differently if they knew what was going on behind the scenes.
- InDubioProRubio 2y agoSo, i guess thanks to whoever in the NSA does the final quality control preventing mass incidents.
- zikduruqe 2y ago> There was a hack to a Cherokee featured in Wire years and years back I discovered the vulnerability that lead to all that. I wish I could say more, but no one took it seriously.
- raxxorraxor 2y ago> Then some morons connected them to the internet for no good reasons. Bad engineering at this point. To be fair, we could have had good car OS, good smartphone OS. But we didn't because everyone wanted to have their own pie castle. Imagine a smartphone that was actually useful. Or a car OS that supports you with repairs. Possible, but not wanted by manufacturers.
- bayindirh 2y agoUse a proper RTOS kernel with a good UI layer, and see all the developers complain loudly because they can't use the latest mobile phone stacks on that robust platform. Sony boots a RTOS Linux system on their cameras in 3 seconds flat, and the firmware is arguably mission critical for that camera. It can be done for an infotainment system.
- throwanem 2y agoThree seconds is a long time. What's it doing to justify that lag? Or is there some kind of cold/warm boot distinction?
- bayindirh 2y agoThe booting process is dominated by checking SteadyShot's state (move sensor a bit, center and lock). However, you don't notice that three seconds. Because when you flick the switch and raise the camera, and it's already ready to shoot. There's powersave after a minute (configurable), which can be considered as S3 sleep, and returning from that is faster.
- whstl 2y agoThis reminds me of the (possibly apocryphal) story where traffic engineers design pedestrian-heavy intersections without traffic lights because it makes drivers more careful. We now have sloppy software simply because we can update bugs later. This is a purely social problem that won't get solved with technology.