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The UN that is controlled by western colonialist nations? That one has the right to draw borders? LOL. Are you aware of Sykes Picot and Balfour? Are you aware t

The UN that is controlled by western colonialist nations? That one has the right to draw borders? LOL. Are you aware of Sykes Picot and Balfour? Are you aware that this has been planned for a long time now, since at least 1899[1]? There most definitely was a region, and it was called Palestine[2]. As I mentioned elsewhere, Muslim Caliphates do not erode or destroy the local culture, they embrace it. The Ottomans were Muslims, we're one people. We don't have racist ideologies. It's interesting seeing these lies made up, or deliberate misinformation. The word "dhimmi" means one who is under the protection of another. The rights of dhimmis are protected, they can rule with their own laws among each other. No, a Jew was not legally required to dismount whenever a Muslim passed by - this is not Islamic law. Islamic law permits Muslim men to marry Christian or Jewish women, but Muslim women are not allowed to marry non-Muslim men; this has nothing to do with Jews. And it wouldn't be allowed in the first place, so he wouldn't be "killed" - no idea where you're getting your information from. The rest of the post is completely un-Islamic, and sounds fabricated. Maybe you should ask Jewish historian Shelomo Dov Goitein why he said that Jews lived well under the Muslims; maybe he knows something you don't, and he was not affected by fabricated narratives. To summarize, Islam rejects the Sykes Picot/Balfour borders between Muslim nations. What is happening today is a direct consequence of WWI. This is why Muslims are calling for a Caliphate to unite all Muslims, something that the west desperately tries to fight. [1] https://imgur.com/a/BlTdfKy https://imgur.com/a/BlTdfKy [2] https://imgur.com/a/jSMLBiZ https://imgur.com/a/jSMLBiZ

reissbaker 2y ago
No, a Jew was not legally required to dismount whenever a Muslim passed by Wrong. https://katz.sas.upenn.edu/resources/blog/what-do-you-know-dhimmi-jewish-legal-status-under-muslim-rule https://katz.sas.upenn.edu/resources/blog/what-do-you-know-d... And I notice you didn't even try to refute the existence of the Dung Gatherer decree, or the mass murders and synagogue burning. Plenty of massacres prior to 1899, if you're clinging to that as a magic number to justify atrocities carried out against Jews under the Ottomans. There was a region, it was called Palestine. Here are the administrative subdivisions of the Ottoman Empire as of 1899: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_divisions_of_the_Ottoman_Empire#/media/File%3AOttoman_Empire_Administrative_Divisions.png https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_divisions_of_... As you can clearly see, there was no subdivision that cleanly mapped to the currently-existing region of Israel or Palestine. That region was created by the British, as "Mandatory Palestine." Islam rejects the Sykes Picot/Balfour borders between Muslim nations. What is happening today is a direct consequence of WWI. This is why Muslims are calling for a Caliphate to unite all Muslims, something that the west desperately tries to fight. Sorry, but Islam does not decree to the rest of the world what borders are, and certainly not moreso than the U.N. Demanding that you're able to draw whatever borders you like and invade anyone who disagrees is what has continued this conflict for 77 years — which your side has continually lost, over and over again, with pointless bloodshed. No one wants to live under your caliphate. Many countries had their borders change after WW1, and WW2, and — oh well, they changed, people adapt and live with it. colonizers Lmao. Where do you think you got Istanbul from? Do you recall that it once had a different name — does "Constantinople" ring a bell? The pot is calling the kettle black here.
- za3faran 2y ago
  Show us the evidence that they were required to dismount. The article you cited mentions no references, just mentions it in passing. This is not academic nor acceptable. I refuted all accusations unless proper evidence is brought up. It is for a fact that Islam does not permit what you mentioned. > As you can clearly see, there was no subdivision that cleanly mapped to the currently-existing region of Israel or Palestine. That region was created by the British, as "Mandatory Palestine." Neither did any fake border map to present day country in the Middle East. This proves my point further - these fake borders were placed by the colonizing West to divide and conquer; and they got what they wanted - continued civil unrest, which they sowed on purpose to this very day. As I said, Islam and Muslims reject these fake borders. > Sorry, but Islam does not decree to the rest of the world what borders are It does decree to its lands; which is where the west came in and colonized them. Or are you denying Muslim autonomy on their own lands? > Lmao. Where do you think you got Istanbul from? Do you recall that it once had a different name — does "Constantinople" ring a bell? The pot is calling the kettle black here. Not really - when you compare how Constantinople was conquered and what was the end result (Light was brought in, science and culture flourished, the local culture was preserved, no one was forced out, etc.) to how western colonization works (destruction, civil wars, killing natives, forcing people out of their homes, etc) which continues to this very day; the story is very different. This is what the europeans did to the natives in America/Canada/Australia, etc.; this is what America did to Afghanistan/Iraq/etc, and this is what they want the Palesinians to do; but to their suprise, the Muslims do not give up so easily. The west left defeated from Afghanistan at the hands of the brave local population, even though they faced the most advanced armies.
  - reissbaker 2y ago
    If it's not academic, why is the University of Pennsylvania — an Ivy League institution — publishing it? Did you notice the URL? And I notice you're still trying to avoid the dung-gatherer decree... Its lands Uh-huh. The ones it conquered and colonized? The end result The Armenian genocide? The Greek genocide? Not to mention the actual act itself as documented by primary sources: As soon as the Turks were inside the City, they began to seize and enslave every person who came their way; all those who tried to offer resistance were put to the sword. In many places the ground could not be seen, as it was covered by heaps of corpses. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Constantinople https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Constantinople

reissbaker 2y ago

No, a Jew was not legally required to dismount whenever a Muslim passed by Wrong. https://katz.sas.upenn.edu/resources/blog/what-do-you-know-dhimmi-jewish-legal-status-under-muslim-rule https://katz.sas.upenn.edu/resources/blog/what-do-you-know-d... And I notice you didn't even try to refute the existence of the Dung Gatherer decree, or the mass murders and synagogue burning. Plenty of massacres prior to 1899, if you're clinging to that as a magic number to justify atrocities carried out against Jews under the Ottomans. There was a region, it was called Palestine. Here are the administrative subdivisions of the Ottoman Empire as of 1899: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_divisions_of_the_Ottoman_Empire#/media/File%3AOttoman_Empire_Administrative_Divisions.png https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_divisions_of_... As you can clearly see, there was no subdivision that cleanly mapped to the currently-existing region of Israel or Palestine. That region was created by the British, as "Mandatory Palestine." Islam rejects the Sykes Picot/Balfour borders between Muslim nations. What is happening today is a direct consequence of WWI. This is why Muslims are calling for a Caliphate to unite all Muslims, something that the west desperately tries to fight. Sorry, but Islam does not decree to the rest of the world what borders are, and certainly not moreso than the U.N. Demanding that you're able to draw whatever borders you like and invade anyone who disagrees is what has continued this conflict for 77 years — which your side has continually lost, over and over again, with pointless bloodshed. No one wants to live under your caliphate. Many countries had their borders change after WW1, and WW2, and — oh well, they changed, people adapt and live with it. colonizers Lmao. Where do you think you got Istanbul from? Do you recall that it once had a different name — does "Constantinople" ring a bell? The pot is calling the kettle black here.

za3faran 2y ago
Show us the evidence that they were required to dismount. The article you cited mentions no references, just mentions it in passing. This is not academic nor acceptable. I refuted all accusations unless proper evidence is brought up. It is for a fact that Islam does not permit what you mentioned. > As you can clearly see, there was no subdivision that cleanly mapped to the currently-existing region of Israel or Palestine. That region was created by the British, as "Mandatory Palestine." Neither did any fake border map to present day country in the Middle East. This proves my point further - these fake borders were placed by the colonizing West to divide and conquer; and they got what they wanted - continued civil unrest, which they sowed on purpose to this very day. As I said, Islam and Muslims reject these fake borders. > Sorry, but Islam does not decree to the rest of the world what borders are It does decree to its lands; which is where the west came in and colonized them. Or are you denying Muslim autonomy on their own lands? > Lmao. Where do you think you got Istanbul from? Do you recall that it once had a different name — does "Constantinople" ring a bell? The pot is calling the kettle black here. Not really - when you compare how Constantinople was conquered and what was the end result (Light was brought in, science and culture flourished, the local culture was preserved, no one was forced out, etc.) to how western colonization works (destruction, civil wars, killing natives, forcing people out of their homes, etc) which continues to this very day; the story is very different. This is what the europeans did to the natives in America/Canada/Australia, etc.; this is what America did to Afghanistan/Iraq/etc, and this is what they want the Palesinians to do; but to their suprise, the Muslims do not give up so easily. The west left defeated from Afghanistan at the hands of the brave local population, even though they faced the most advanced armies.
- reissbaker 2y ago
  If it's not academic, why is the University of Pennsylvania — an Ivy League institution — publishing it? Did you notice the URL? And I notice you're still trying to avoid the dung-gatherer decree... Its lands Uh-huh. The ones it conquered and colonized? The end result The Armenian genocide? The Greek genocide? Not to mention the actual act itself as documented by primary sources: As soon as the Turks were inside the City, they began to seize and enslave every person who came their way; all those who tried to offer resistance were put to the sword. In many places the ground could not be seen, as it was covered by heaps of corpses. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Constantinople https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Constantinople