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Trump official tells Europe to choose between US or Chinese communications tech

16 points by doener 2y ago

nofalsescotsman 2y ago
Europe would be wise to start investing heavily in its own communications tech.
- doener 2y ago
  That is actually one of Europe‘s strong suits: https://www.telecoms.com/5g-6g/nokia-finally-replaces-huawei-at-3-000-deutsche-telekom-5g-sites https://www.telecoms.com/5g-6g/nokia-finally-replaces-huawei...
  - Terr_ 2y ago
    Comparing national-origins of technology, plus a mention of Nokia, reminds me of this Transformers (2007) scene [0]. > "Oooh. Nokias are real nasty. You've gotta respect the Japanese. They know the way of the Samurai." > "... Nokia's from Finland." [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VumNpJl-IeQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VumNpJl-IeQ
- rsynnott 2y ago
  European companies (basically just Nokia and Ericsson) account for about a third of the global telecoms equipment market, or almost half if you exclude China Telecom (which is a captive market for Huawei). The only US company in the top 10 or so is Cisco. This is one area where Europe is pretty much fine, and one where the US seems rather vulnerable; unless the tarrifs are short lived or there’s yet another carve out, US infra will suffer, especially as 6G rolls out.
codingdave 2y ago
In pretty much all aspects of life, you gotta be careful presenting ultimatums. People might not respond with the answer you hoped.
- phillipseamore 2y ago
  Also strange to propose that there are only two options when Europe already has it's own up and running GEO and LEO satellite systems. It's not choosing US or China, it's chosen to expand their own systems. (I wouldn't be surprised that Brendan Carr simply doesn't know what European options are available)
  - tough 2y ago
    What's even funnier is that the actual upsell is of Musk's Starlink, lmao
  - rsynnott 2y ago
    Also, like, satellite simply isn’t _that_ important comms-wise. And European companies are huge in terrestrial and especially cellular. This is actually an area of vulnerability for the US; unless it adds yet another tariff carve out or scraps the tariffs, it’s likely to have cellular infra issues.
- beloch 2y ago
  It's a false choice fortunately. The EU doesn't have to choose between a totalitarian state and a crumbling democracy that is currently threatening to invade and seize the territory of a EU member nation. They can, and should, choose their own products or those of other reliable and friendly trading partners around the globe.
tough 2y ago
read unpaywalled here: https://archive.is/CrpI2 https://archive.is/CrpI2
hayst4ck 2y ago
The ultimatum hurts America even more when many well studied professionals are almost certainly starting to look internationally as a contingency plan for what is currently happening. The potential for literally the same people who built the American systems to build the European ones is growing as this governments fist is tightening it's grip on power.
suraci 2y ago
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axiologist 2y ago
https://archive.is/CrpI2 https://archive.is/CrpI2
lawn 2y ago
And the self-harm continues. How long will it take for the US to recover from this madness, if ever?

16 points by doener 2y ago

nofalsescotsman 2y ago

Europe would be wise to start investing heavily in its own communications tech.

doener 2y ago
That is actually one of Europe‘s strong suits: https://www.telecoms.com/5g-6g/nokia-finally-replaces-huawei-at-3-000-deutsche-telekom-5g-sites https://www.telecoms.com/5g-6g/nokia-finally-replaces-huawei...
- Terr_ 2y ago
  Comparing national-origins of technology, plus a mention of Nokia, reminds me of this Transformers (2007) scene [0]. > "Oooh. Nokias are real nasty. You've gotta respect the Japanese. They know the way of the Samurai." > "... Nokia's from Finland." [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VumNpJl-IeQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VumNpJl-IeQ
rsynnott 2y ago
European companies (basically just Nokia and Ericsson) account for about a third of the global telecoms equipment market, or almost half if you exclude China Telecom (which is a captive market for Huawei). The only US company in the top 10 or so is Cisco. This is one area where Europe is pretty much fine, and one where the US seems rather vulnerable; unless the tarrifs are short lived or there’s yet another carve out, US infra will suffer, especially as 6G rolls out.

codingdave 2y ago

In pretty much all aspects of life, you gotta be careful presenting ultimatums. People might not respond with the answer you hoped.

phillipseamore 2y ago
Also strange to propose that there are only two options when Europe already has it's own up and running GEO and LEO satellite systems. It's not choosing US or China, it's chosen to expand their own systems. (I wouldn't be surprised that Brendan Carr simply doesn't know what European options are available)
- tough 2y ago
  What's even funnier is that the actual upsell is of Musk's Starlink, lmao
- rsynnott 2y ago
  Also, like, satellite simply isn’t _that_ important comms-wise. And European companies are huge in terrestrial and especially cellular. This is actually an area of vulnerability for the US; unless it adds yet another tariff carve out or scraps the tariffs, it’s likely to have cellular infra issues.
beloch 2y ago
It's a false choice fortunately. The EU doesn't have to choose between a totalitarian state and a crumbling democracy that is currently threatening to invade and seize the territory of a EU member nation. They can, and should, choose their own products or those of other reliable and friendly trading partners around the globe.

tough 2y ago

read unpaywalled here: https://archive.is/CrpI2 https://archive.is/CrpI2

hayst4ck 2y ago

The ultimatum hurts America even more when many well studied professionals are almost certainly starting to look internationally as a contingency plan for what is currently happening. The potential for literally the same people who built the American systems to build the European ones is growing as this governments fist is tightening it's grip on power.

suraci 2y ago

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axiologist 2y ago

https://archive.is/CrpI2 https://archive.is/CrpI2

lawn 2y ago

And the self-harm continues. How long will it take for the US to recover from this madness, if ever?