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Thanks for looking that up. Without knowing the denominator (# of accounts, # of posts, # of new accounts), I'm not sure what to make of it. Even then, we wan

Thanks for looking that up. Without knowing the denominator (# of accounts, # of posts, # of new accounts), I'm not sure what to make of it. Even then, we want the subset of bans that were for political reasons (i.e., supporting Labour is fine, supporting Reform is hate speech). According to the actual report (which can be found here: https://transparency.x.com/content/dam/transparency-twitter/2024/x-global-transparency-report-h1.pdf https://transparency.x.com/content/dam/transparency-twitter/...), of 5,296,870 account suspensions only 2,361 were for "hateful conduct", while 57,185 were "violent and hateful entities" and 1,102,778 were for "abuse and harassment". Eyeing the categories, those are the only ones that seem plausible for political motivation. So it's some subset of that 1,162,324 (22% of total) that we're interested in. I would bet the vast, vast majority of those either aren't politically motivated, or are politically motivated but in such a way that virtually everyone would agree (e.g., torturing puppies for fun). And, of course, among politically-motivated bans, not all will be in support of Red Team / against Blue Team. Some will be bans of Red Team supporters, and for some the valence won't be clear.

kristopolous 2y ago
That's all speculative. Musk Twitter brought a bunch of far right provocateurs like Alex Jones Back on and increased the bans by 3x. There's more people leaving than coming to the platform. That's what we do know. As far as "Red/Blue" that's not current. Instead we've got an establishment party, the Democrats, a disempowered left, a disempowered conservative party, and a party that does Nazi shit, the Republicans. That's why a bunch of the Bush era conservatives lined up behind the Democrats, conservative and right wing are Not the same just like liberal and left wing are not
- NoImmatureAdHom 2y ago
  Nothing in my grandparent comment is speculative. I literally type out the data and discuss what additional information we would have to have in order to arrive at something approaching a meaningful estimate of the quantity we are both interested in. As for Red/Blue not being current, I'm not an expert. The only bone I would pick is the Republicans aren't doing "Nazi shit". Nazi / Fascist used to mean something, you know. It seems like people are starting to use those words to mean "authoritarian" or something along those lines.
  - kristopolous 2y ago
    They're building concentration camps, sending peace activists to it. They don't care about birthright or other forms of citizenship and are trying to do a nuremberg law to redefine it. Also see Civil Service Law (1933) where they purged political opponents from government jobs. They've tried to strip the power of the purse from Congress and ignore the courts which is how an enabling act would work in the US context. He's even trying to Lebensraum Greenland. The famous Nazi book burn was at an LGBT institute. They're demonizing the same group Hitler even had an Elon Musk named Alfred Hugenberg. I mean it's like they hired historians to do a full reenactment. I dunno. There's these people that are like "well you see the Nazis demonized Jews while Trump demonizes Muslims! The Nazi Beer Hall Putsch was in November and January 6 was in January! Trump has red hats while the Nazis had red armbands!" Just falls flat
    - NoImmatureAdHom 2y ago
      ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I'm going to be very honest with you: this strikes me as unhinged. I don't mean to put you down, I really mean to be honest. Our perceptions of the world are really, really different. I can imagine how you might believe things like this if you spent too much time in online echo chambers. The information environments they make for you are too...much. The bots run by nefarious parties seek only to make you feel the way you feel, make you believe the things you believe. I can only recommend that you take a step back, and unplug, fellow traveler :-)
      - UncleMeat 2y ago
        "Don't worry, nothing bad can ever happen" while people are sent away to gulags. To "unplug" as you demand is morally reprehensible.
        A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 2y ago
        Is he morally obligated to participate? There are some interesting arguments on both ends, but I am curious what you mean by this.
johnnyanmac 2y ago
If you're a free speech absolutionist (your argument was simply "kicking off got more intense"), it shouldn't matter what speech was said to get kicked. Politcal or not, it's all speech. So the only way to retort the bans tripling is if you think Most people banned are not humans. Which is possible, but unlikely given current speculations that Twitter is 80% bots.
- NoImmatureAdHom 2y ago
  > Politcal or not, it's all speech. This is a fair point. If I concede it, we still need some denominators. > So the only way to retort the bans tripling is if you think Most people banned are not humans. Denominators.
acdha 2y ago
> Even then, we want the subset of bans that were for political reasons (i.e., supporting Labour is fine, supporting Reform is hate speech). Do you have any examples was banned for supporting Reform? I ask because I’ve lost track of how many times I’ve heard someone say they were banned for their political views and then checked to see that what actually got them banned was something like targeted harassment of a political opponent.
- NoImmatureAdHom 2y ago
  I didn't mean this as a real example, I meant it as illustrative. I've never seen anyone banned for supporting Reform (I've never seen anyone banned at all! I try to limit my internets).

kristopolous 2y ago

That's all speculative. Musk Twitter brought a bunch of far right provocateurs like Alex Jones Back on and increased the bans by 3x. There's more people leaving than coming to the platform. That's what we do know. As far as "Red/Blue" that's not current. Instead we've got an establishment party, the Democrats, a disempowered left, a disempowered conservative party, and a party that does Nazi shit, the Republicans. That's why a bunch of the Bush era conservatives lined up behind the Democrats, conservative and right wing are Not the same just like liberal and left wing are not

NoImmatureAdHom 2y ago
Nothing in my grandparent comment is speculative. I literally type out the data and discuss what additional information we would have to have in order to arrive at something approaching a meaningful estimate of the quantity we are both interested in. As for Red/Blue not being current, I'm not an expert. The only bone I would pick is the Republicans aren't doing "Nazi shit". Nazi / Fascist used to mean something, you know. It seems like people are starting to use those words to mean "authoritarian" or something along those lines.
- kristopolous 2y ago
  They're building concentration camps, sending peace activists to it. They don't care about birthright or other forms of citizenship and are trying to do a nuremberg law to redefine it. Also see Civil Service Law (1933) where they purged political opponents from government jobs. They've tried to strip the power of the purse from Congress and ignore the courts which is how an enabling act would work in the US context. He's even trying to Lebensraum Greenland. The famous Nazi book burn was at an LGBT institute. They're demonizing the same group Hitler even had an Elon Musk named Alfred Hugenberg. I mean it's like they hired historians to do a full reenactment. I dunno. There's these people that are like "well you see the Nazis demonized Jews while Trump demonizes Muslims! The Nazi Beer Hall Putsch was in November and January 6 was in January! Trump has red hats while the Nazis had red armbands!" Just falls flat
  - NoImmatureAdHom 2y ago
    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I'm going to be very honest with you: this strikes me as unhinged. I don't mean to put you down, I really mean to be honest. Our perceptions of the world are really, really different. I can imagine how you might believe things like this if you spent too much time in online echo chambers. The information environments they make for you are too...much. The bots run by nefarious parties seek only to make you feel the way you feel, make you believe the things you believe. I can only recommend that you take a step back, and unplug, fellow traveler :-)
    - UncleMeat 2y ago
      "Don't worry, nothing bad can ever happen" while people are sent away to gulags. To "unplug" as you demand is morally reprehensible.
      - A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 2y ago
        Is he morally obligated to participate? There are some interesting arguments on both ends, but I am curious what you mean by this.

johnnyanmac 2y ago

If you're a free speech absolutionist (your argument was simply "kicking off got more intense"), it shouldn't matter what speech was said to get kicked. Politcal or not, it's all speech. So the only way to retort the bans tripling is if you think Most people banned are not humans. Which is possible, but unlikely given current speculations that Twitter is 80% bots.

NoImmatureAdHom 2y ago
> Politcal or not, it's all speech. This is a fair point. If I concede it, we still need some denominators. > So the only way to retort the bans tripling is if you think Most people banned are not humans. Denominators.

acdha 2y ago

> Even then, we want the subset of bans that were for political reasons (i.e., supporting Labour is fine, supporting Reform is hate speech). Do you have any examples was banned for supporting Reform? I ask because I’ve lost track of how many times I’ve heard someone say they were banned for their political views and then checked to see that what actually got them banned was something like targeted harassment of a political opponent.

NoImmatureAdHom 2y ago
I didn't mean this as a real example, I meant it as illustrative. I've never seen anyone banned for supporting Reform (I've never seen anyone banned at all! I try to limit my internets).