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The British didn't split anything; the U.N. did. Who do you think has the right to draw country borders other than the U.N.? There was no "Palestine" on a map p

The British didn't split anything; the U.N. did. Who do you think has the right to draw country borders other than the U.N.? There was no "Palestine" on a map prior to the British: it was the Ottoman Empire, and there wasn't even a region or subdivision of it that mapped to the current or British-era borders, and the Ottomans themselves were oppressive colonizers. Do you demand that the Turks be given control? Where do you stop? Perhaps the Greeks should be given control of all of Turkey, and take back the Hagia Sophia; after all, it was theirs first. And who, pray tell, lived in the land of Israel before the Islamic conquests, and before Roman imperialism...? As for Jews supposedly being able to live in peace prior to the British — you are once again incorrect. Jews were considered dhimmis, with various insane accompanying laws: Jews were legally required to dismount horses/donkeys and simply walk whenever any random Muslim passerby demanded it; a Muslim man could take a Jewish woman as a wife, but if a Jewish man tried to marry a Muslim woman he would be killed; Jewish orphans were systematically taken from the Jewish community by law and raised as Muslims — in fact, this is legally genocidal! — and in parts of the Ottoman Empire, the "Dung Gatherer's Decree" mandated that Jews clean the literal poop from Muslim sewers; in other parts they were forbidden from wearing shoes; Jews were killed in massacres by the thousands and synagogues burned; and of course, there's the famous Benny Morris quote from the 19th century in Jerusalem: I have seen a little fellow of six years old, with a troop of fat toddlers of only three and four, teaching [them] to throw stones at a Jew, and one little urchin would, with the greatest coolness, waddle up to the man and literally spit upon his Jewish gaberdine. To all this the Jew is obliged to submit; it would be more than his life was worth to offer to strike a Mohammedan. Naturally the Jews were not eager to return to this state of affairs. And so just as India and Pakistan were created out of British India, Israel and Palestine were attempted to be created out of the British Mandate. The Muslim residents were very eager to return to the prior state of affairs, refused partition, invaded, and... lost. And again; most of their territory was taken by Egypt and Jordan, not Israel.

za3faran 2y ago
The UN that is controlled by western colonialist nations? That one has the right to draw borders? LOL. Are you aware of Sykes Picot and Balfour? Are you aware that this has been planned for a long time now, since at least 1899[1]? There most definitely was a region, and it was called Palestine[2]. As I mentioned elsewhere, Muslim Caliphates do not erode or destroy the local culture, they embrace it. The Ottomans were Muslims, we're one people. We don't have racist ideologies. It's interesting seeing these lies made up, or deliberate misinformation. The word "dhimmi" means one who is under the protection of another. The rights of dhimmis are protected, they can rule with their own laws among each other. No, a Jew was not legally required to dismount whenever a Muslim passed by - this is not Islamic law. Islamic law permits Muslim men to marry Christian or Jewish women, but Muslim women are not allowed to marry non-Muslim men; this has nothing to do with Jews. And it wouldn't be allowed in the first place, so he wouldn't be "killed" - no idea where you're getting your information from. The rest of the post is completely un-Islamic, and sounds fabricated. Maybe you should ask Jewish historian Shelomo Dov Goitein why he said that Jews lived well under the Muslims; maybe he knows something you don't, and he was not affected by fabricated narratives. To summarize, Islam rejects the Sykes Picot/Balfour borders between Muslim nations. What is happening today is a direct consequence of WWI. This is why Muslims are calling for a Caliphate to unite all Muslims, something that the west desperately tries to fight. [1] https://imgur.com/a/BlTdfKy https://imgur.com/a/BlTdfKy [2] https://imgur.com/a/jSMLBiZ https://imgur.com/a/jSMLBiZ
- reissbaker 2y ago
  No, a Jew was not legally required to dismount whenever a Muslim passed by Wrong. https://katz.sas.upenn.edu/resources/blog/what-do-you-know-dhimmi-jewish-legal-status-under-muslim-rule https://katz.sas.upenn.edu/resources/blog/what-do-you-know-d... And I notice you didn't even try to refute the existence of the Dung Gatherer decree, or the mass murders and synagogue burning. Plenty of massacres prior to 1899, if you're clinging to that as a magic number to justify atrocities carried out against Jews under the Ottomans. There was a region, it was called Palestine. Here are the administrative subdivisions of the Ottoman Empire as of 1899: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_divisions_of_the_Ottoman_Empire#/media/File%3AOttoman_Empire_Administrative_Divisions.png https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_divisions_of_... As you can clearly see, there was no subdivision that cleanly mapped to the currently-existing region of Israel or Palestine. That region was created by the British, as "Mandatory Palestine." Islam rejects the Sykes Picot/Balfour borders between Muslim nations. What is happening today is a direct consequence of WWI. This is why Muslims are calling for a Caliphate to unite all Muslims, something that the west desperately tries to fight. Sorry, but Islam does not decree to the rest of the world what borders are, and certainly not moreso than the U.N. Demanding that you're able to draw whatever borders you like and invade anyone who disagrees is what has continued this conflict for 77 years — which your side has continually lost, over and over again, with pointless bloodshed. No one wants to live under your caliphate. Many countries had their borders change after WW1, and WW2, and — oh well, they changed, people adapt and live with it. colonizers Lmao. Where do you think you got Istanbul from? Do you recall that it once had a different name — does "Constantinople" ring a bell? The pot is calling the kettle black here.
  - za3faran 2y ago
    Show us the evidence that they were required to dismount. The article you cited mentions no references, just mentions it in passing. This is not academic nor acceptable. I refuted all accusations unless proper evidence is brought up. It is for a fact that Islam does not permit what you mentioned. > As you can clearly see, there was no subdivision that cleanly mapped to the currently-existing region of Israel or Palestine. That region was created by the British, as "Mandatory Palestine." Neither did any fake border map to present day country in the Middle East. This proves my point further - these fake borders were placed by the colonizing West to divide and conquer; and they got what they wanted - continued civil unrest, which they sowed on purpose to this very day. As I said, Islam and Muslims reject these fake borders. > Sorry, but Islam does not decree to the rest of the world what borders are It does decree to its lands; which is where the west came in and colonized them. Or are you denying Muslim autonomy on their own lands? > Lmao. Where do you think you got Istanbul from? Do you recall that it once had a different name — does "Constantinople" ring a bell? The pot is calling the kettle black here. Not really - when you compare how Constantinople was conquered and what was the end result (Light was brought in, science and culture flourished, the local culture was preserved, no one was forced out, etc.) to how western colonization works (destruction, civil wars, killing natives, forcing people out of their homes, etc) which continues to this very day; the story is very different. This is what the europeans did to the natives in America/Canada/Australia, etc.; this is what America did to Afghanistan/Iraq/etc, and this is what they want the Palesinians to do; but to their suprise, the Muslims do not give up so easily. The west left defeated from Afghanistan at the hands of the brave local population, even though they faced the most advanced armies.

za3faran 2y ago

The UN that is controlled by western colonialist nations? That one has the right to draw borders? LOL. Are you aware of Sykes Picot and Balfour? Are you aware that this has been planned for a long time now, since at least 1899[1]? There most definitely was a region, and it was called Palestine[2]. As I mentioned elsewhere, Muslim Caliphates do not erode or destroy the local culture, they embrace it. The Ottomans were Muslims, we're one people. We don't have racist ideologies. It's interesting seeing these lies made up, or deliberate misinformation. The word "dhimmi" means one who is under the protection of another. The rights of dhimmis are protected, they can rule with their own laws among each other. No, a Jew was not legally required to dismount whenever a Muslim passed by - this is not Islamic law. Islamic law permits Muslim men to marry Christian or Jewish women, but Muslim women are not allowed to marry non-Muslim men; this has nothing to do with Jews. And it wouldn't be allowed in the first place, so he wouldn't be "killed" - no idea where you're getting your information from. The rest of the post is completely un-Islamic, and sounds fabricated. Maybe you should ask Jewish historian Shelomo Dov Goitein why he said that Jews lived well under the Muslims; maybe he knows something you don't, and he was not affected by fabricated narratives. To summarize, Islam rejects the Sykes Picot/Balfour borders between Muslim nations. What is happening today is a direct consequence of WWI. This is why Muslims are calling for a Caliphate to unite all Muslims, something that the west desperately tries to fight. [1] https://imgur.com/a/BlTdfKy https://imgur.com/a/BlTdfKy [2] https://imgur.com/a/jSMLBiZ https://imgur.com/a/jSMLBiZ

reissbaker 2y ago
No, a Jew was not legally required to dismount whenever a Muslim passed by Wrong. https://katz.sas.upenn.edu/resources/blog/what-do-you-know-dhimmi-jewish-legal-status-under-muslim-rule https://katz.sas.upenn.edu/resources/blog/what-do-you-know-d... And I notice you didn't even try to refute the existence of the Dung Gatherer decree, or the mass murders and synagogue burning. Plenty of massacres prior to 1899, if you're clinging to that as a magic number to justify atrocities carried out against Jews under the Ottomans. There was a region, it was called Palestine. Here are the administrative subdivisions of the Ottoman Empire as of 1899: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_divisions_of_the_Ottoman_Empire#/media/File%3AOttoman_Empire_Administrative_Divisions.png https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_divisions_of_... As you can clearly see, there was no subdivision that cleanly mapped to the currently-existing region of Israel or Palestine. That region was created by the British, as "Mandatory Palestine." Islam rejects the Sykes Picot/Balfour borders between Muslim nations. What is happening today is a direct consequence of WWI. This is why Muslims are calling for a Caliphate to unite all Muslims, something that the west desperately tries to fight. Sorry, but Islam does not decree to the rest of the world what borders are, and certainly not moreso than the U.N. Demanding that you're able to draw whatever borders you like and invade anyone who disagrees is what has continued this conflict for 77 years — which your side has continually lost, over and over again, with pointless bloodshed. No one wants to live under your caliphate. Many countries had their borders change after WW1, and WW2, and — oh well, they changed, people adapt and live with it. colonizers Lmao. Where do you think you got Istanbul from? Do you recall that it once had a different name — does "Constantinople" ring a bell? The pot is calling the kettle black here.
- za3faran 2y ago
  Show us the evidence that they were required to dismount. The article you cited mentions no references, just mentions it in passing. This is not academic nor acceptable. I refuted all accusations unless proper evidence is brought up. It is for a fact that Islam does not permit what you mentioned. > As you can clearly see, there was no subdivision that cleanly mapped to the currently-existing region of Israel or Palestine. That region was created by the British, as "Mandatory Palestine." Neither did any fake border map to present day country in the Middle East. This proves my point further - these fake borders were placed by the colonizing West to divide and conquer; and they got what they wanted - continued civil unrest, which they sowed on purpose to this very day. As I said, Islam and Muslims reject these fake borders. > Sorry, but Islam does not decree to the rest of the world what borders are It does decree to its lands; which is where the west came in and colonized them. Or are you denying Muslim autonomy on their own lands? > Lmao. Where do you think you got Istanbul from? Do you recall that it once had a different name — does "Constantinople" ring a bell? The pot is calling the kettle black here. Not really - when you compare how Constantinople was conquered and what was the end result (Light was brought in, science and culture flourished, the local culture was preserved, no one was forced out, etc.) to how western colonization works (destruction, civil wars, killing natives, forcing people out of their homes, etc) which continues to this very day; the story is very different. This is what the europeans did to the natives in America/Canada/Australia, etc.; this is what America did to Afghanistan/Iraq/etc, and this is what they want the Palesinians to do; but to their suprise, the Muslims do not give up so easily. The west left defeated from Afghanistan at the hands of the brave local population, even though they faced the most advanced armies.