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> At the risk of stating the obvious: This qualifier is void. So it's okay to deceptively edit it out? Seems shady.

Terr_ 1y ago
"Herr Hitler clearly said that he would only be sending criminals to the next round of concentration camps, editing that out seems shady." The most-charitable explanation is that you are clueless about current events, and don't understand that the government is already committing crimes against innocent people and lying about it. Otherwise: > Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. -- Jean-Paul Sartre, 1946
- marcusverus 1y ago
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  - Terr_ 1y ago
    > vague, hand-wavy allegation There's nothing "vague" about the past couple of weeks of news, court-cases, admissions, and flat-out bragging by the administration. Stop feigning ignorance. > staking out a pro-deception stance The real pro-deception stance is yours: Demanding that known falsehoods and propaganda be repeated verbatim.
    - marcusverus 1y ago
      > There's nothing "vague" about the past couple of weeks of news, court-cases, admissions, and flat-out bragging by the administration. Stop feigning ignorance. Pretending not to know what "vague" means isn't an argument. > The real pro-deception stance is yours: Demanding that known falsehoods and propaganda be repeated verbatim. Expecting honest quotations is pro-deception. Got it. Good chat, Beelzebub.
      - affinepplan 1y ago
        except it was an honest quotation. what I wrote was said by Trump in the video.
        marcusverus 1y ago
        If you share a quote out of context, knowing that it will be taken to mean something other than what it obviously meant in context, you are being deceptive. Children are taught this in middle school.
        affinepplan 1y ago
        it is not out of context. you are being deceptive that somehow surrounding context of the statement justifies such a horrible proposition from POTUS.
        marcusverus 1y ago
        So you don't know what context means, got it.

"Herr Hitler clearly said that he would only be sending criminals to the next round of concentration camps, editing that out seems shady." The most-charitable explanation is that you are clueless about current events, and don't understand that the government is already committing crimes against innocent people and lying about it. Otherwise: > Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. -- Jean-Paul Sartre, 1946

marcusverus 1y ago
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- Terr_ 1y ago
  > vague, hand-wavy allegation There's nothing "vague" about the past couple of weeks of news, court-cases, admissions, and flat-out bragging by the administration. Stop feigning ignorance. > staking out a pro-deception stance The real pro-deception stance is yours: Demanding that known falsehoods and propaganda be repeated verbatim.
  - marcusverus 1y ago
    > There's nothing "vague" about the past couple of weeks of news, court-cases, admissions, and flat-out bragging by the administration. Stop feigning ignorance. Pretending not to know what "vague" means isn't an argument. > The real pro-deception stance is yours: Demanding that known falsehoods and propaganda be repeated verbatim. Expecting honest quotations is pro-deception. Got it. Good chat, Beelzebub.
    - affinepplan 1y ago
      except it was an honest quotation. what I wrote was said by Trump in the video.
      - marcusverus 1y ago
        If you share a quote out of context, knowing that it will be taken to mean something other than what it obviously meant in context, you are being deceptive. Children are taught this in middle school.
        affinepplan 1y ago
        it is not out of context. you are being deceptive that somehow surrounding context of the statement justifies such a horrible proposition from POTUS.
        marcusverus 1y ago
        So you don't know what context means, got it.