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> Example? Diversity Statements Required for One-Fifth of Academic Jobs - https://www.schoolinfosystem.org/2021/11/11/study-diversity-statements-required-for-o

> Example? Diversity Statements Required for One-Fifth of Academic Jobs - https://www.schoolinfosystem.org/2021/11/11/study-diversity-statements-required-for-one-fifth-of-academic-jobs/ https://www.schoolinfosystem.org/2021/11/11/study-diversity-... More examples: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43692945 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43692945

insane_dreamer 2y ago
20% isn't so bad; the way it's usually portrayed in the media it sounds more like 90% of posts require such statements
- ImJamal 2y ago
  If a college allocated a minimum of 20% of their jobs to whites, would you still say it wasn't too bad?
  - insane_dreamer 2y ago
    If we'd enslaved whites and then turned them second class citizens with minimal rights and very few economic opportunities until fairly recently, putting them in conditions that make it very difficult for them to achieve equal opportunity, then yeah, I wouldn't have a problem with it.
    - RoyalHenOil 2y ago
      You don't even have to go that far. I went to school in south Atlanta, where both student body and teaching staff tended to be overwhelmingly Black. The school had a policy of hiring a certain percentage of non-Black teachers, including white teachers, and it had programs designed specifically to attract students from white and Hispanic communities. The goal was not to give non-Black students and teachers a leg up; it was to promote diversity and ensure students graduated ready to meet all kinds of different people in the workplace. These policies were popular and uncontroversial, at least while I was there — though I dare say they would be deemed illegal now.
  - kenjackson 2y ago
    These are statements, not quotas. Basically these are statements where you note that you support teaching all kids, will make efforts to be inclusive and ensure your class has an inclusive environment, etc… There is no requirement on the race of the applicants.
    - like_any_other 2y ago
      > these are statements where you note that you support teaching all kids, will make efforts to be inclusive and ensure your class has an inclusive environment If you look at one example of the actual assessment criteria [1], merely teaching without discrimination or exclusion earns the lowest possible score. [1] Only mentions activities that are already the expectation of faculty as evidence of commitment and involvement (for example, "I always invite and welcome students from all backgrounds to participate in my research lab, and in fact have mentored several women." - https://web.archive.org/web/20200302212643/https://ofew.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/rubric_to_assess_candidate_contributions_to_diversity_equity_and_inclusion.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20200302212643/https://ofew.berk...
      - kenjackson 2y ago
        Thanks for the rubric. I found the complete listing. It’s useful to also see the instructions given: https://ap.uci.edu/faculty/guidance/ieactivities/ https://ap.uci.edu/faculty/guidance/ieactivities/ The instructions make it pretty clear what you need to write. This seems reasonable to me as PART of a total application, but not as the gate to get into the review process. But again, this is not the same as a quota.
    - hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
      These statements are performative bullshit, and everyone who writes one knows it. > Basically these are statements where you note that you support teaching all kids Do you really feel today's university professors need to write an essay saying they support teaching everyone? > will make efforts to be inclusive and ensure your class has an inclusive environment Again, say someone is teaching calculus, what does this exactly mean? It's absolutely makes sense to me that a university has policies in place to ensure classrooms are inclusive and that discrimination does not occur. But these statements are nonsense.

insane_dreamer 2y ago

20% isn't so bad; the way it's usually portrayed in the media it sounds more like 90% of posts require such statements

ImJamal 2y ago
If a college allocated a minimum of 20% of their jobs to whites, would you still say it wasn't too bad?
- insane_dreamer 2y ago
  If we'd enslaved whites and then turned them second class citizens with minimal rights and very few economic opportunities until fairly recently, putting them in conditions that make it very difficult for them to achieve equal opportunity, then yeah, I wouldn't have a problem with it.
  - RoyalHenOil 2y ago
    You don't even have to go that far. I went to school in south Atlanta, where both student body and teaching staff tended to be overwhelmingly Black. The school had a policy of hiring a certain percentage of non-Black teachers, including white teachers, and it had programs designed specifically to attract students from white and Hispanic communities. The goal was not to give non-Black students and teachers a leg up; it was to promote diversity and ensure students graduated ready to meet all kinds of different people in the workplace. These policies were popular and uncontroversial, at least while I was there — though I dare say they would be deemed illegal now.
- kenjackson 2y ago
  These are statements, not quotas. Basically these are statements where you note that you support teaching all kids, will make efforts to be inclusive and ensure your class has an inclusive environment, etc… There is no requirement on the race of the applicants.
  - like_any_other 2y ago
    > these are statements where you note that you support teaching all kids, will make efforts to be inclusive and ensure your class has an inclusive environment If you look at one example of the actual assessment criteria [1], merely teaching without discrimination or exclusion earns the lowest possible score. [1] Only mentions activities that are already the expectation of faculty as evidence of commitment and involvement (for example, "I always invite and welcome students from all backgrounds to participate in my research lab, and in fact have mentored several women." - https://web.archive.org/web/20200302212643/https://ofew.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/rubric_to_assess_candidate_contributions_to_diversity_equity_and_inclusion.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20200302212643/https://ofew.berk...
    - kenjackson 2y ago
      Thanks for the rubric. I found the complete listing. It’s useful to also see the instructions given: https://ap.uci.edu/faculty/guidance/ieactivities/ https://ap.uci.edu/faculty/guidance/ieactivities/ The instructions make it pretty clear what you need to write. This seems reasonable to me as PART of a total application, but not as the gate to get into the review process. But again, this is not the same as a quota.
  - hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
    These statements are performative bullshit, and everyone who writes one knows it. > Basically these are statements where you note that you support teaching all kids Do you really feel today's university professors need to write an essay saying they support teaching everyone? > will make efforts to be inclusive and ensure your class has an inclusive environment Again, say someone is teaching calculus, what does this exactly mean? It's absolutely makes sense to me that a university has policies in place to ensure classrooms are inclusive and that discrimination does not occur. But these statements are nonsense.