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Could you please cite some examples? This reads like a bunch of strawmen set up by someone aggrieved by trans rights and racial equality.

NoImmatureAdHom 2y ago
The first Harvard one that comes to mind is Carole Hooven, an enocrinologist who was pilloried for speaking obvious truths: https://www.mindingthecampus.org/2024/02/15/carole-hooven-why-i-left-harvard/ https://www.mindingthecampus.org/2024/02/15/carole-hooven-wh...
- aisenik 2y ago
  I think a clearly ideological actor leaving by choice after being ostracized for representing blatantly false and unscientific ideological claims is good, actually, and that providing this as an example is shifting your goalposts. For context, Carole Hooven is a fellow of the American Enterprise Institute, a right-wing "think-tank," and an associate of notable transphobe Stephen Pinker. The personal costs of her self-created ostracization seem minimal (perhaps negative). The statements that she made hinge on a supposed "strict sex binary," which relies upon forced ignorance and denial of the existence of intersex people. This is a weaponized claim used to gird the foundations of an ideology which has successfully sought to engage in human rights abuses, initially directed by this administration at denying children social acceptance and access to life-saving medical care as well as directly impugning the moral character of US military service members while attacking their access to life-saving medical care and discharging them from service. Simultaneously, Harvard has come under attack from the administration on a purely ideological and fascist basis. It seems like her critics were right to view her as a threat to science, human dignity, and the institution they mutually-represented.
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  - igloop 2y ago
    Sex is binary - for all species that reproduce sexually, including humans - because there is no intermediate gamete between sperm and egg. What you're referring to with "intersex" is actually a set of disorders of sex development which affect each sex differently. For example, consider 5-alpha reductase deficiency: a mutation in the gene that encodes the enzyme for converting testosterone to dihydrotestosterone, causing loss of enzymatic activity, may be present in anyone of either sex, but will only impair male sexual development. None of this is controversial amongst biologists. It's fundamental to understanding sexual reproduction.
    - aisenik 2y ago
      The dramatic moral harms of this Engineer's-Disease-based reasoning on public policy are already visible and are only expected to dramatically accelerate for the foreseeable future. There's no point in engaging an off-topic and inflammatory line of discourse that attempts to paper over this undeniable reality with smug appeals to authority.
    - johnnyanmac 2y ago
      >None of this is controversial among biologists Nope, but it is among people who can't tolerate different kind of people.
    - Voultapher 2y ago
      Wanna guess which books the Nazi's burned first? Yep the ones about transgender research from the Institute for Sexual Research. I'm sure they acted in good faith like they usually did.
    - dspillett 2y ago
      > None of this is controversial amongst biologists. It's fundamental to understanding sexual reproduction. True, but nor is it generally controversial amongst the un-indoctronated that sexual reproduction and gender identity are NOT (as claimed a couple of posts above) orthogonal concepts. I don't know about you, but while my biology and mental identity happen to nicely match up, I consider myself to be more than my testicles and can accept that others don't share my cis status.
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  - NoImmatureAdHom 2y ago
    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ idk if there's much I can do here. Carole is a respected scientist. So is Steven. Carole is a fellow of this institute as a result of having to find new patrons because of her cancellation, not the other way around. Your understanding of the situation re sex and gender is completely incorrect.
    - johnnyanmac 2y ago
      >idk if there's much I can do here. Good? You made a claim and had one point disproven because there's a difference between voluntarily leaving an institution and being kidnapped by the federal government. No one really asked about your opinions otherwise. We're just establishing 2 very obvious lines in the sand.
    - aisenik 2y ago
      You could attempt to provide citation for your initial claims. Carole Hooven does not meet the criteria, providing her is only suggestive of a disingenuous ideological motivation.
      - NoImmatureAdHom 2y ago
        Here's a database of cancellations, searching for the word "fired": https://www.thecollegefix.com/cancel-culture-database/?gv_search=fired&filter_4=&filter_6=&filter_7=&mode=all https://www.thecollegefix.com/cancel-culture-database/?gv_se... Obviously other words like "terminated" may be appropriate too. Of course, most situations like this don't come to firing--like with Carole, the bureaucracy simply takes away everything you love and makes it clear you will never advance. It's much simpler when people "choose" to leave.
        aisenik 2y ago
        You should probably dig through your right-wing propaganda outlet's database to support your position so you can provide cites to be responded to. I'm certainly not going to read through a hundred reports like "Antifa demands [person] be fired" and "Professor says he was fired for using N-word" to make your argument for you. Absent providing evidence of your claims, it seems reasonable to conclude that your position is unsupportable.

NoImmatureAdHom 2y ago

The first Harvard one that comes to mind is Carole Hooven, an enocrinologist who was pilloried for speaking obvious truths: https://www.mindingthecampus.org/2024/02/15/carole-hooven-why-i-left-harvard/ https://www.mindingthecampus.org/2024/02/15/carole-hooven-wh...

aisenik 2y ago
I think a clearly ideological actor leaving by choice after being ostracized for representing blatantly false and unscientific ideological claims is good, actually, and that providing this as an example is shifting your goalposts. For context, Carole Hooven is a fellow of the American Enterprise Institute, a right-wing "think-tank," and an associate of notable transphobe Stephen Pinker. The personal costs of her self-created ostracization seem minimal (perhaps negative). The statements that she made hinge on a supposed "strict sex binary," which relies upon forced ignorance and denial of the existence of intersex people. This is a weaponized claim used to gird the foundations of an ideology which has successfully sought to engage in human rights abuses, initially directed by this administration at denying children social acceptance and access to life-saving medical care as well as directly impugning the moral character of US military service members while attacking their access to life-saving medical care and discharging them from service. Simultaneously, Harvard has come under attack from the administration on a purely ideological and fascist basis. It seems like her critics were right to view her as a threat to science, human dignity, and the institution they mutually-represented.
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- igloop 2y ago
  Sex is binary - for all species that reproduce sexually, including humans - because there is no intermediate gamete between sperm and egg. What you're referring to with "intersex" is actually a set of disorders of sex development which affect each sex differently. For example, consider 5-alpha reductase deficiency: a mutation in the gene that encodes the enzyme for converting testosterone to dihydrotestosterone, causing loss of enzymatic activity, may be present in anyone of either sex, but will only impair male sexual development. None of this is controversial amongst biologists. It's fundamental to understanding sexual reproduction.
  - aisenik 2y ago
    The dramatic moral harms of this Engineer's-Disease-based reasoning on public policy are already visible and are only expected to dramatically accelerate for the foreseeable future. There's no point in engaging an off-topic and inflammatory line of discourse that attempts to paper over this undeniable reality with smug appeals to authority.
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    >None of this is controversial among biologists Nope, but it is among people who can't tolerate different kind of people.
  - Voultapher 2y ago
    Wanna guess which books the Nazi's burned first? Yep the ones about transgender research from the Institute for Sexual Research. I'm sure they acted in good faith like they usually did.
  - dspillett 2y ago
    > None of this is controversial amongst biologists. It's fundamental to understanding sexual reproduction. True, but nor is it generally controversial amongst the un-indoctronated that sexual reproduction and gender identity are NOT (as claimed a couple of posts above) orthogonal concepts. I don't know about you, but while my biology and mental identity happen to nicely match up, I consider myself to be more than my testicles and can accept that others don't share my cis status.
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- NoImmatureAdHom 2y ago
  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ idk if there's much I can do here. Carole is a respected scientist. So is Steven. Carole is a fellow of this institute as a result of having to find new patrons because of her cancellation, not the other way around. Your understanding of the situation re sex and gender is completely incorrect.
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    >idk if there's much I can do here. Good? You made a claim and had one point disproven because there's a difference between voluntarily leaving an institution and being kidnapped by the federal government. No one really asked about your opinions otherwise. We're just establishing 2 very obvious lines in the sand.
  - aisenik 2y ago
    You could attempt to provide citation for your initial claims. Carole Hooven does not meet the criteria, providing her is only suggestive of a disingenuous ideological motivation.
    - NoImmatureAdHom 2y ago
      Here's a database of cancellations, searching for the word "fired": https://www.thecollegefix.com/cancel-culture-database/?gv_search=fired&filter_4=&filter_6=&filter_7=&mode=all https://www.thecollegefix.com/cancel-culture-database/?gv_se... Obviously other words like "terminated" may be appropriate too. Of course, most situations like this don't come to firing--like with Carole, the bureaucracy simply takes away everything you love and makes it clear you will never advance. It's much simpler when people "choose" to leave.
      - aisenik 2y ago
        You should probably dig through your right-wing propaganda outlet's database to support your position so you can provide cites to be responded to. I'm certainly not going to read through a hundred reports like "Antifa demands [person] be fired" and "Professor says he was fired for using N-word" to make your argument for you. Absent providing evidence of your claims, it seems reasonable to conclude that your position is unsupportable.