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Figure out how to dismantle the secret Jewish cabal controlling the world behind the scenes. Read more about them here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prot

by tasn 2y ago

Figure out how to dismantle the secret Jewish cabal controlling the world behind the scenes. Read more about them here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_... Seriously though, the Jewish control of the world (now Israeli/Zionist so you don't sound like an antisemite) is one of the most tired antiemetic tropes. Also: Zionist expansionism is a ridiculous term. You do understand that Israel is tiny and has given lands to Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, and Egypt for peace. Open the map and try to locate Israel on the map, it's a speck around a sea of huge countries. Even if Zionist expansionism was a thing, and Israel doubled in size it would still be tiny. The other claims in your post are also weak, and I'd encourage you to learn more about the conflict from different perspectives. This is obviously a loaded topic and both sides are trying to control the narrative, but I believe you've been getting a very specific set information and haven't been exposed to the other side.

ddq 2y ago
"My name is Tom Hacohen. I was born and raised in Tel-Aviv (Israel), lived in London for the last decade, and I'm now back in Israel." I suggest you learn more about the conflict from different perspectives if you think the claim of genocide is "weak". Criticism of your country's extensive human rights abuses is not antisemitism. You are representing your country very poorly with this post.
- tasn 2y ago
  > I suggest you learn more about the conflict from different perspectives if you think the claim of genocide is "weak". I do my best to learn about it from different perspectives. As for the genocide claim: I think it has been argued a lot online so no need to rehash it here. > Criticism of your country's extensive human rights abuses is not antisemitism. I disagree with the statement, though that's not the statement that he made. He made a statement about "Israeli control of western politics" which is just a tired trope. At least a hundred years old (see Wikipedia), but probably much older than that. > You are representing your country very poorly with this post. I was thinking twice before posting this, as I figured I'd be attacked for it. Though sometimes you have to call a spade a spade, and the Elder's of Zion nonsense had to be called out.
  - asacrowflies 1y ago
    Many USA states make it illegal to boycott Israel including my own. You can no longer protest them in university which is a time honored american tradition predating the Vietnam war.They very much DO have an overt oversized control of western politics ,police,and institutions.. If anyone should be getting these crazy deportations, should be these Israelis who consistently spout unamerican rhetoric and undermine the fundamental principals of our nation. While claiming ethnic and religious superiority.
    - tasn 1y ago
      Anyone that's on a visa and is spreading anti American rhetoric should probably be deported. Having a visa to the US is a privilege, not a right, and it comes with conditions. It's not a free pass for foreign insurgents. Though I think this is a false equivalence: pro Palestinian demonstrations include burning the American flag. Pro Israeli include raising and honoring it. These are not the same. Edit: I forgot to comment about the "you can no longer protest them" part. You can most definitely protest Israel (and the US) in US universities. However, if you're on a visa and defy the terms of your visa by e.g. assaulting students, destroying university property, and supporting terrorist organizations you may get deported.
      - findzawhey 1y ago
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      - runarberg 1y ago
        Okay, this is bad. You are using a tech forum to advocate for deportation of those you disagree with. I hope the mods see this and take the appropriate action.
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aprilthird2021 2y ago
Why does believing that Israel's system of only allowing a minority ethnicity in the land it controls to have political power and rights but claiming to be a democracy is wrong, and why do you assume people who believe this also believe in whatever weird conspiracy you're talking about. Maybe the blood of one's ancestors doesn't make it okay for someone thousands of miles away who never lived in a place be eligible to move there while someone who lived in their own home a few miles away can never return to it in the same piece of land? Isn't that obviously wrong to you?
- tasn 2y ago
  I'm not sure I fully follow what you were saying, but here's an attempt at responding: > Why does believing that Israel's system of only allowing a minority ethnicity in the land it controls to have political power and rights but claiming to be a democracy is wrong, and why do you assume people who believe this also believe in whatever weird conspiracy you're talking about. 1. Jews are a majority in Israel. 2. Non-Jews have equal rights (actually slightly better rights as they are exempt from military service). 3. I wasn't assuming he believes in that, he said "what can we do ... about Israeli control of western politics", which is the conspiracy. > Maybe the blood of one's ancestors doesn't make it okay for someone thousands of miles away who never lived in a place be eligible to move there while someone who lived in their own home a few miles away can never return to it in the same piece of land? Isn't that obviously wrong to you? I think what you're asking is: why is it OK to have the "right of return" to Jewish people to get automatic citizenship based on them being Jewish while someone that lives in Gaza and was born in Israel can't return there? Let's split this part to two. Let's start with the right of return: sovereign countries can make their own laws, which includes immigration laws. In fact, many countries do. Is it fair that if you're rich you can buy a New Zealand citizenship and if you're poor it's much harder? Maybe not, but that's their right to do it. Additionally, you can't remove this law from the general context in which it lives: Jews have been persecuted throughout history wherever they lived, culminating in the murder of 6 million Jews in the holocaust. Jews have therefore fled from all over the world to the only country in the world where they are protected, which is Israel. This persecution btw happened in the Muslim world as well, which is why you don't see many Jews still living in any Muslim countries anymore. The second part of your statement was about the Gazans coming back to Israel. The UN resolution that created Israel also created Palestine. Though unlike the Jews that accepted it, the Muslims did not, and they, along with Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, and Lebanon decided to attack Israel. In fact, if you look at the history of wars in the region it's always: someone attacked Israel, and Israel defended itself. Not one war started by Israel. Anyhow, the Arab forces lost and during the wars Palestinians fled. This is not even conquered land btw, this is part of the original UN decision. Wars are awful, and it's sad that they decided to flee, but they didn't have to. In fact, there are many Muslims living in Israel (and with equal rights, unlike your original claim) which are descendants of the ones that didn't flee. Should they be allowed to emigrate to Israel? I don't think in the history of the world any country has allowed the descendants of a losing army to emigrate to their country. I also don't think they want to do that, they want to make Israel their own ("from the river to the sea..."). Additionally, I know that it's easy to look at Israel now and think wow, this is what Palestinians are losing on. Though Israel was mostly swamps and desert and was built by Israelis. Here is downtown Tel-Aviv and the founding families that built the city: https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%94%D7%92%D7%A8%D7%9C%D7%AA_%D7%94%D7%9E%D7%92%D7%A8%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9C%D7%90%D7%97%D7%95%D7%96%D7%AA_%D7%91%D7%99%D7%AA#/media/%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%91%D7%A5:TelAviv-Founding.jpg https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%94%D7%92%D7%A8%D7%9C%D7%AA... There was no such thing as Palestine in the way that you think about it. E.g. the Palestinian flag was created in 1964, and Israel was created in 1948 (16 years prior). All the silly memes you see showing coins and stamps from Palestine in 1914 actually all say "Palestine (Land of Israel)" in Hebrew, it just says Palestine as well because that was the name the region was called by Brits when they took over the area. In fact, if memory serves, the name Palestine comes from the Romans who conquered Judea (source of the word Jew, was the Jewish kingdom) and wanted to spite the Jews so they renamed it to something else (Palestine). Anyhow, ended up being quite long, I hope it was interesting.

by tasn 2y ago

ddq 2y ago

"My name is Tom Hacohen. I was born and raised in Tel-Aviv (Israel), lived in London for the last decade, and I'm now back in Israel." I suggest you learn more about the conflict from different perspectives if you think the claim of genocide is "weak". Criticism of your country's extensive human rights abuses is not antisemitism. You are representing your country very poorly with this post.

tasn 2y ago
> I suggest you learn more about the conflict from different perspectives if you think the claim of genocide is "weak". I do my best to learn about it from different perspectives. As for the genocide claim: I think it has been argued a lot online so no need to rehash it here. > Criticism of your country's extensive human rights abuses is not antisemitism. I disagree with the statement, though that's not the statement that he made. He made a statement about "Israeli control of western politics" which is just a tired trope. At least a hundred years old (see Wikipedia), but probably much older than that. > You are representing your country very poorly with this post. I was thinking twice before posting this, as I figured I'd be attacked for it. Though sometimes you have to call a spade a spade, and the Elder's of Zion nonsense had to be called out.
- asacrowflies 1y ago
  Many USA states make it illegal to boycott Israel including my own. You can no longer protest them in university which is a time honored american tradition predating the Vietnam war.They very much DO have an overt oversized control of western politics ,police,and institutions.. If anyone should be getting these crazy deportations, should be these Israelis who consistently spout unamerican rhetoric and undermine the fundamental principals of our nation. While claiming ethnic and religious superiority.
  - tasn 1y ago
    Anyone that's on a visa and is spreading anti American rhetoric should probably be deported. Having a visa to the US is a privilege, not a right, and it comes with conditions. It's not a free pass for foreign insurgents. Though I think this is a false equivalence: pro Palestinian demonstrations include burning the American flag. Pro Israeli include raising and honoring it. These are not the same. Edit: I forgot to comment about the "you can no longer protest them" part. You can most definitely protest Israel (and the US) in US universities. However, if you're on a visa and defy the terms of your visa by e.g. assaulting students, destroying university property, and supporting terrorist organizations you may get deported.
    - findzawhey 1y ago
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    - runarberg 1y ago
      Okay, this is bad. You are using a tech forum to advocate for deportation of those you disagree with. I hope the mods see this and take the appropriate action.
  - deleted 1y ago
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aprilthird2021 2y ago

Why does believing that Israel's system of only allowing a minority ethnicity in the land it controls to have political power and rights but claiming to be a democracy is wrong, and why do you assume people who believe this also believe in whatever weird conspiracy you're talking about. Maybe the blood of one's ancestors doesn't make it okay for someone thousands of miles away who never lived in a place be eligible to move there while someone who lived in their own home a few miles away can never return to it in the same piece of land? Isn't that obviously wrong to you?

tasn 2y ago
I'm not sure I fully follow what you were saying, but here's an attempt at responding: > Why does believing that Israel's system of only allowing a minority ethnicity in the land it controls to have political power and rights but claiming to be a democracy is wrong, and why do you assume people who believe this also believe in whatever weird conspiracy you're talking about. 1. Jews are a majority in Israel. 2. Non-Jews have equal rights (actually slightly better rights as they are exempt from military service). 3. I wasn't assuming he believes in that, he said "what can we do ... about Israeli control of western politics", which is the conspiracy. > Maybe the blood of one's ancestors doesn't make it okay for someone thousands of miles away who never lived in a place be eligible to move there while someone who lived in their own home a few miles away can never return to it in the same piece of land? Isn't that obviously wrong to you? I think what you're asking is: why is it OK to have the "right of return" to Jewish people to get automatic citizenship based on them being Jewish while someone that lives in Gaza and was born in Israel can't return there? Let's split this part to two. Let's start with the right of return: sovereign countries can make their own laws, which includes immigration laws. In fact, many countries do. Is it fair that if you're rich you can buy a New Zealand citizenship and if you're poor it's much harder? Maybe not, but that's their right to do it. Additionally, you can't remove this law from the general context in which it lives: Jews have been persecuted throughout history wherever they lived, culminating in the murder of 6 million Jews in the holocaust. Jews have therefore fled from all over the world to the only country in the world where they are protected, which is Israel. This persecution btw happened in the Muslim world as well, which is why you don't see many Jews still living in any Muslim countries anymore. The second part of your statement was about the Gazans coming back to Israel. The UN resolution that created Israel also created Palestine. Though unlike the Jews that accepted it, the Muslims did not, and they, along with Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, and Lebanon decided to attack Israel. In fact, if you look at the history of wars in the region it's always: someone attacked Israel, and Israel defended itself. Not one war started by Israel. Anyhow, the Arab forces lost and during the wars Palestinians fled. This is not even conquered land btw, this is part of the original UN decision. Wars are awful, and it's sad that they decided to flee, but they didn't have to. In fact, there are many Muslims living in Israel (and with equal rights, unlike your original claim) which are descendants of the ones that didn't flee. Should they be allowed to emigrate to Israel? I don't think in the history of the world any country has allowed the descendants of a losing army to emigrate to their country. I also don't think they want to do that, they want to make Israel their own ("from the river to the sea..."). Additionally, I know that it's easy to look at Israel now and think wow, this is what Palestinians are losing on. Though Israel was mostly swamps and desert and was built by Israelis. Here is downtown Tel-Aviv and the founding families that built the city: https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%94%D7%92%D7%A8%D7%9C%D7%AA_%D7%94%D7%9E%D7%92%D7%A8%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9C%D7%90%D7%97%D7%95%D7%96%D7%AA_%D7%91%D7%99%D7%AA#/media/%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%91%D7%A5:TelAviv-Founding.jpg https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%94%D7%92%D7%A8%D7%9C%D7%AA... There was no such thing as Palestine in the way that you think about it. E.g. the Palestinian flag was created in 1964, and Israel was created in 1948 (16 years prior). All the silly memes you see showing coins and stamps from Palestine in 1914 actually all say "Palestine (Land of Israel)" in Hebrew, it just says Palestine as well because that was the name the region was called by Brits when they took over the area. In fact, if memory serves, the name Palestine comes from the Romans who conquered Judea (source of the word Jew, was the Jewish kingdom) and wanted to spite the Jews so they renamed it to something else (Palestine). Anyhow, ended up being quite long, I hope it was interesting.