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Interesting to see that its tied to gmail, which already has pieces of this and is likely working towards the same things. Notion is vastly superior to Sharepo

Interesting to see that its tied to gmail, which already has pieces of this and is likely working towards the same things. Notion is vastly superior to Sharepoint, OneNote and Docs, it's a shame MS and Google abuse their position to push inferior products for the same price.

dizhn 2y ago
They both recently sold AI to every customer by force. (Free ai, increased price)
- nashashmi 2y ago
  Not MS yet. I am still paying extra
  - dizhn 2y ago
    Oh my friend told me they did it for 360 subscribers too. Maybe the conditions are different.
    - nashashmi 2y ago
      I keep hearing the same thing.
  - TiredOfLife 2y ago
    They are doing it in waves. When your account gets the price increase you can select cancel and will be offered the old price plan.
babyent 2y ago
No way. Google docs is amazing. I could do search and replace for years. Notion only added that recently. Imo notion is a fun tool. But it’s a toy. It is slow and worse, not accurate at all, when you have any actual data (100+ items you’re actively working with), clunky interface, and is good if you’re a student taking notes and making forms, or doing something casual before you need something robust. For anything else, Docs and Sheets are far superior and better products.
- anon7000 2y ago
  Yeah. Docs and sheets are downright impressive pieces of web technology
- skerit 2y ago
  > It is slow and worse, not accurate at all, when you have any actual data (100+ items you’re actively working with), clunky interface, and is good if you’re a student taking notes and making forms, or doing something casual before you need something robust. I wish I could convince the people I work with of the same thing. Though I don't really have a better alternative either.
- dkarl 2y ago
  Even worse, it's a toy that people build elaborate things out of and then use them for business-critical functions. It's incredibly irritating to work with a Notion power user. It must be great if you're a control freak, though. Get leadership to recognize your Notion doc as the source of truth, and then you get absolute control because nobody else wants to touch it.
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- haliskerbas 2y ago
  I agree. It's nice and fun for lifestyle use cases like organizing a small trip with a few friends.
- jdgoesmarching 2y ago
  Google Docs is the clunky mess here and gets away with it because they nailed collaboration early and competed with an even bigger clunkier mess in Microsoft Word. Word at least is a full featured word processor, whereas Google Docs is a struggles with anything more than basic layout or formatting needs. Notion isn’t a word processor, but unless you’re specifically trying to craft documents it doesn’t need to be. It also isn’t a spreadsheet, and you’re going to have a bad time if you try to make it act as such. If we’re being dismissive, Google Sheets is also a poor tool for “actual data.” Modern spreadsheet usage is just a pile of inefficient hacks to operate them as pseduo-DBs. Unless you’re in the finance or accounting world, in which case you’re probably using Excel, anything else would be better served by using more powerful open-source data analysis formats and tools. I have a million complaints about Notion, but holding up Google Workspace as the paradigm of elite enterprise product design is a joke. Get back to me when I can take the markdown produced by Gemini Canvas and paste it into Docs without issues.
qwertytyyuu 2y ago
I disagree. OneNote is still the best for hierarchy hall Freeform notes.
packetlost 2y ago
Eh, Notion is fine. I quickly ran into scaling problems with it and the block-style editing is only really nice/useful if you're doing a lot of live collaboration. That being said, I do like opinionated tools better than unopinionated ones (Google Doc) because it's less mental overhead to just make something. But I reach for plain markdown instead.
Eric_WVGG 2y ago
I wonder how much of that is simply due to the ability to use the Gmail API vs IMAP. I’ve been knocking around the idea of building an email client, but IMAP looks like nightmare fuel. JMAP would be perfect but adoption looks like it’s going nowhere. [edit] Seeing a lot of people here diss on Gmail. I don’t blame you, I want out too. If you want more options, lean on your email provider to start supporting JMAP. https://jmap.io https://jmap.io
- isaachinman 2y ago
  IMAP is indeed nightmare fuel. We're building https://marcoapp.io https://marcoapp.io
hollandheese 2y ago
Notion is not in anyway whatsoever in the same category as OneNote. Tell me when it has handwriting support.

dizhn 2y ago

They both recently sold AI to every customer by force. (Free ai, increased price)

nashashmi 2y ago
Not MS yet. I am still paying extra
- dizhn 2y ago
  Oh my friend told me they did it for 360 subscribers too. Maybe the conditions are different.
  - nashashmi 2y ago
    I keep hearing the same thing.
- TiredOfLife 2y ago
  They are doing it in waves. When your account gets the price increase you can select cancel and will be offered the old price plan.

babyent 2y ago

No way. Google docs is amazing. I could do search and replace for years. Notion only added that recently. Imo notion is a fun tool. But it’s a toy. It is slow and worse, not accurate at all, when you have any actual data (100+ items you’re actively working with), clunky interface, and is good if you’re a student taking notes and making forms, or doing something casual before you need something robust. For anything else, Docs and Sheets are far superior and better products.

anon7000 2y ago
Yeah. Docs and sheets are downright impressive pieces of web technology
skerit 2y ago
> It is slow and worse, not accurate at all, when you have any actual data (100+ items you’re actively working with), clunky interface, and is good if you’re a student taking notes and making forms, or doing something casual before you need something robust. I wish I could convince the people I work with of the same thing. Though I don't really have a better alternative either.
dkarl 2y ago
Even worse, it's a toy that people build elaborate things out of and then use them for business-critical functions. It's incredibly irritating to work with a Notion power user. It must be great if you're a control freak, though. Get leadership to recognize your Notion doc as the source of truth, and then you get absolute control because nobody else wants to touch it.
- deleted 2y ago
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haliskerbas 2y ago
I agree. It's nice and fun for lifestyle use cases like organizing a small trip with a few friends.
jdgoesmarching 2y ago
Google Docs is the clunky mess here and gets away with it because they nailed collaboration early and competed with an even bigger clunkier mess in Microsoft Word. Word at least is a full featured word processor, whereas Google Docs is a struggles with anything more than basic layout or formatting needs. Notion isn’t a word processor, but unless you’re specifically trying to craft documents it doesn’t need to be. It also isn’t a spreadsheet, and you’re going to have a bad time if you try to make it act as such. If we’re being dismissive, Google Sheets is also a poor tool for “actual data.” Modern spreadsheet usage is just a pile of inefficient hacks to operate them as pseduo-DBs. Unless you’re in the finance or accounting world, in which case you’re probably using Excel, anything else would be better served by using more powerful open-source data analysis formats and tools. I have a million complaints about Notion, but holding up Google Workspace as the paradigm of elite enterprise product design is a joke. Get back to me when I can take the markdown produced by Gemini Canvas and paste it into Docs without issues.

qwertytyyuu 2y ago

I disagree. OneNote is still the best for hierarchy hall Freeform notes.

packetlost 2y ago

Eh, Notion is fine. I quickly ran into scaling problems with it and the block-style editing is only really nice/useful if you're doing a lot of live collaboration. That being said, I do like opinionated tools better than unopinionated ones (Google Doc) because it's less mental overhead to just make something. But I reach for plain markdown instead.

Eric_WVGG 2y ago

I wonder how much of that is simply due to the ability to use the Gmail API vs IMAP. I’ve been knocking around the idea of building an email client, but IMAP looks like nightmare fuel. JMAP would be perfect but adoption looks like it’s going nowhere. [edit] Seeing a lot of people here diss on Gmail. I don’t blame you, I want out too. If you want more options, lean on your email provider to start supporting JMAP. https://jmap.io https://jmap.io

isaachinman 2y ago
IMAP is indeed nightmare fuel. We're building https://marcoapp.io https://marcoapp.io

hollandheese 2y ago

Notion is not in anyway whatsoever in the same category as OneNote. Tell me when it has handwriting support.