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>>Do we sacrifice a democracy for the dollar? What democracy? Whose democracy? Trump just blamed Zelensky for the war in Ukraine again. The entire administrat

>>Do we sacrifice a democracy for the dollar? What democracy? Whose democracy? Trump just blamed Zelensky for the war in Ukraine again. The entire administration keeps saying they will make Canada the 51st state and "destroy canada economically". They want to take Greenland by force. I don't think America cares much about democracy anymore, only dollars. China will take Taiwan and US will will keep buying chips like they always did.

gjsman-1000 2y ago
And when a Democrat is back in power in 2029, and China invades in 2030, what will she do? Protect Taiwan and destroy the US economy as we endure the equivalent of an infinite tariff; or appear weak by saying “that’s a shame”, even if China is doing a Great Leap Forward on the population?
- gambiting 2y ago
  I don't know and I wouldn't even hazard a guess. My entire observation right now as a non American is that America doesn't care about democracy anymore.
_t9ow 2y ago
> cares much about democracy anymore Anymore? Arguably, the US never did. Ask, for example, the people living in Caribbean or Latin American countries what happened when they elected leaders that the US disliked. Or Iran. Or Italy. Or Congo. And so on. Or ask the Indonesians about the mass killings in their country in 1965-1966, supported by the US. Around 500,000 people died, though some estimates put the number of deaths at 1,000,000. Ask the Filipinos about how the US propped up their military dictatorship back in the 1970s-1980s. I could keep going, but I think you get the point. The US has never been sincerely interested in democracy -- only strategically. The illusion that the US cared about democracy was a primarily Western luxury.
danaris 2y ago
> I don't think America cares much about democracy anymore, only dollars. I don't think it's a good idea to assign Trump's beliefs, or those of his administration, to America as a whole. Any more, frankly, than it's a good idea to assign those of his opposition to the country as a whole.
- gambiting 2y ago
  Well of course, but right now they represent the country.
  - danaris 2y ago
    The country contains all of us, all the time. The leadership is not the country.
    - gambiting 2y ago
      And yet, the ruling government are the representatives of the country.

gjsman-1000 2y ago

And when a Democrat is back in power in 2029, and China invades in 2030, what will she do? Protect Taiwan and destroy the US economy as we endure the equivalent of an infinite tariff; or appear weak by saying “that’s a shame”, even if China is doing a Great Leap Forward on the population?

gambiting 2y ago
I don't know and I wouldn't even hazard a guess. My entire observation right now as a non American is that America doesn't care about democracy anymore.

_t9ow 2y ago

> cares much about democracy anymore Anymore? Arguably, the US never did. Ask, for example, the people living in Caribbean or Latin American countries what happened when they elected leaders that the US disliked. Or Iran. Or Italy. Or Congo. And so on. Or ask the Indonesians about the mass killings in their country in 1965-1966, supported by the US. Around 500,000 people died, though some estimates put the number of deaths at 1,000,000. Ask the Filipinos about how the US propped up their military dictatorship back in the 1970s-1980s. I could keep going, but I think you get the point. The US has never been sincerely interested in democracy -- only strategically. The illusion that the US cared about democracy was a primarily Western luxury.

danaris 2y ago

> I don't think America cares much about democracy anymore, only dollars. I don't think it's a good idea to assign Trump's beliefs, or those of his administration, to America as a whole. Any more, frankly, than it's a good idea to assign those of his opposition to the country as a whole.

gambiting 2y ago
Well of course, but right now they represent the country.
- danaris 2y ago
  The country contains all of us, all the time. The leadership is not the country.
  - gambiting 2y ago
    And yet, the ruling government are the representatives of the country.