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Thank you for responding. I realize you have some beliefs and opinions about things, legal and otherwise. I do, too! Indeed, most people have beliefs and opinio

Thank you for responding. I realize you have some beliefs and opinions about things, legal and otherwise. I do, too! Indeed, most people have beliefs and opinions about things. The role of the judicial branch, and of each judge, is to listen to all those beliefs and opinions as appropriate, and decide which one is correct, and to make orders as necessary in furtherance of that aim. That has happened, and the administration then disobeyed the orders and asserted that the judges' judgements were invalid (an irrelevant personal judgement, because they are not the judge). So, that's where we're at now. With that in mind, please address the posts to which you replied, specifically, the below 2 points: > If "oopsy-doopsy, it was a mistake" has no remedy then there is no remedy when it is a citizen who gets sent to a gulag. > What's more, now that the executive branch is disobeying direct orders from the judicial branch, what recourse do you think you'd have if you got on the wrong executive branch official's bad side? You're being specifically asked to talk through your options and choices in such scenarios. What would they be? We'll take turns: You play the part of the victim; I'll play the part of the administration; we'll game it out. POV: You're walking down the street and a group of 7 or 8 plainclothes individuals wearing masks surround you, restrain you, and force you into an unmarked vehicle. Maybe one of them says they're a cop, but otherwise they refuse to say anything while they transport you to a foreign gulag. You are not permitted a lawyer, you are not permitted a phone call, and nobody, no family, no lawyers, no judges, not even your local police department, is notified what is happening to you. PERHAPS (it wouldn't change the outcome, but whatever) unbeknownst to you or them, this is a case of mistaken identity. Ready for your turn? Go.

OutOfHere 2y ago
Let me put it this way. If lots of random citizens start getting picked up on the street and get disappeared by sending them permanently and without a trial to the gulag, I will dissolve all my assets and leave the country. It could take me a whole year, but I will do it. During this period, I will minimize attention and travel. The writing will be in the wall, but it's not there yet. US citizens remain unaffected for now.
- ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
  >Let me put it this way... I think it'd be more appropriate to put "it" in a way that answers the question that I and UncleMeat asked
  - OutOfHere 2y ago
    Your question is completely unfair because the probability of it happening to a random person of a certain group before happening to say a thousand others from the same group is close to zero. As such, you are not playing fair in any sense. I could have completely dismissed your question, but at least I answered the more realistic version.
    - ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
      > Your question is completely unfair That means your response is completely unfairer! ;) Seriously though, multiple people asked you that question, so it's not my question. That may be a clue that it isn't actually "unfair". But I don't doubt that you nonetheless hold your opinion that we're unfair and you're fair. Now that you've said your opinion, it'd be awesome if you answer the question we asked you. > the probability of it happening to a random person of a certain group before happening to say a thousand others from the same group is close to zero Ignoring for a moment that it's impossible for something to happen to 1000 people without first happening to the first of them: your position assumes that it isn't bad if this happens to a single person (maybe you), even though it is. Beyond that, I'm not sure we're qualified (data-wise) to judge the probabilities you mentioned and whether they're close to zero, given the data we have available. If you think we are, then I submit the probability is close to 100%. We can then average our two estimates to get to a probability 50%, still well worth considering when you answer. Anyways, it'd be much appreciated if you could go ahead and answer the question multiple people are asking you. I believe you are a talented human capable of answering questions which you personally think are unfair and which others don't think are unfair.
      - OutOfHere 2y ago

OutOfHere 2y ago

Let me put it this way. If lots of random citizens start getting picked up on the street and get disappeared by sending them permanently and without a trial to the gulag, I will dissolve all my assets and leave the country. It could take me a whole year, but I will do it. During this period, I will minimize attention and travel. The writing will be in the wall, but it's not there yet. US citizens remain unaffected for now.

ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
>Let me put it this way... I think it'd be more appropriate to put "it" in a way that answers the question that I and UncleMeat asked
- OutOfHere 2y ago
  Your question is completely unfair because the probability of it happening to a random person of a certain group before happening to say a thousand others from the same group is close to zero. As such, you are not playing fair in any sense. I could have completely dismissed your question, but at least I answered the more realistic version.
  - ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
    > Your question is completely unfair That means your response is completely unfairer! ;) Seriously though, multiple people asked you that question, so it's not my question. That may be a clue that it isn't actually "unfair". But I don't doubt that you nonetheless hold your opinion that we're unfair and you're fair. Now that you've said your opinion, it'd be awesome if you answer the question we asked you. > the probability of it happening to a random person of a certain group before happening to say a thousand others from the same group is close to zero Ignoring for a moment that it's impossible for something to happen to 1000 people without first happening to the first of them: your position assumes that it isn't bad if this happens to a single person (maybe you), even though it is. Beyond that, I'm not sure we're qualified (data-wise) to judge the probabilities you mentioned and whether they're close to zero, given the data we have available. If you think we are, then I submit the probability is close to 100%. We can then average our two estimates to get to a probability 50%, still well worth considering when you answer. Anyways, it'd be much appreciated if you could go ahead and answer the question multiple people are asking you. I believe you are a talented human capable of answering questions which you personally think are unfair and which others don't think are unfair.
    - OutOfHere 2y ago