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Let me be bold: transphobia is counter-culture nowadays (at least in Western societies). Counter-culture is not always a good thing.

by arkh 1y ago

johnnyjeans 1y ago
There is no counter-culture anymore, not really. Society is virtually balkanized.
DrillShopper 1y ago
> Let me be bold: transphobia is counter-culture nowadays No it's not. It's as mainstream as you get. One of the two major parties ran explicitly on a platform of transphobia ("keep men out of women's bathroom", "your daughter is being beaten up in sports by a man"). You can't call it counter-culture anymore.
- ethbr1 1y ago
  I think it's difficult to label "majority" culture when most things are split 50/50. Counter-culture feels like it requires at least an 80/20 or so.
  - krapp 1y ago
    Transphobia has been a majority cultural view throughout every culture based on the Abrahamic religions and their strict patriarchal hierarchies. Even given that the nature of gender roles change over time, and concepts like "homosexuality", "heterosexuality" and "transgender" being modern inventions, transgressing those roles has almost always been taboo.
    - kelipso 1y ago
      Memoryholing the four years of the Biden administration.
      - krapp 1y ago
        No, not really. The "groomer" panic took place during the Biden years, with plenty of states passing anti-trans legislation and banning pro-trans books from libraries. The Biden administration did not reverse the widespread cultural hatred, discrimination and violence against trans people in the US in any meaningful sense. And it's honestly weird that you would think it even could have, given where we are now politically.
        kelipso 1y ago
        It’s two different cultures, one of which is more dominant, or was during the Biden years. As always, only the dominant culture matters culturally.
        krapp 1y ago
        The premise that during the Biden years transgender culture was the dominant culture in America is just plainly ridiculous, as is the implication that only transgender identity mattered, culturally, during those years. Again, these were the years when transphobia began to mainstream and become codified into legislation and "antiwoke" and "anti-DEI" culture. It was never dominant, it only just started to become visible enough to really piss people off (similar to gay culture in the 1980s.)
        kelipso 1y ago
        Not transgender culture but elite coastal liberal culture.
        rfrey 1y ago
        What would you call the political culture that has replaced it?
        kelipso 1y ago
        I wouldn’t say anything has replaced it yet, more that the Trump admin is trying to do so currently by removing a lot of programs, banning words, purging employees, etc. Whether that will be successful remains to be seen but coastal liberal culture is very dominant and I don’t see it being replaced any time soon. And I guess you could call the other culture conservative culture.
- Whoppertime 1y ago
  Joe Biden was saying he had the back of Trans people in his State of the Union Address, trans kids especially. His white House was holding Transgender day of visibility and tweeting about transgender issues His Department of Education Secretary was anything but transphobic
- arkh 1y ago
  The USA is not the whole Western world. And in most of the Western World the main culture accept trans people. They may differ on who can take pills at what age or if the state should pay for surgeries (is it cosmetic, is it vital) but people who'd beat up transgender people for who they are would be shunned. If I watch or read modern cultural product, there are huge chances some character will be officially transgender or the theme will be present (shout-out to wildbow). That's being part of The Culture. So being against it means being against the culture. Culture changes over time thanks to people against the status quo (counter-culture). You may have been counter-culture in your youth but once your cause has been accepted you're not counter-culture anymore. You won: celebrate. A meme is how Rage Against the Machine has been Rage for the Machine for a long time already. Now once you accept you're older, you won, you're for the current status quo you may feel some dread about two things: are you still relevant? (hence why many groups will always try to prove their fight is not won); and: what are parts of the status quo which the new generations of counter culture want to see change (and surely for a good reason). What's the "lobotomy for everyone" of our generation?

Let me be bold: transphobia is counter-culture nowadays (at least in Western societies). Counter-culture is not always a good thing.

by arkh 1y ago

Let me be bold: transphobia is counter-culture nowadays (at least in Western societies). Counter-culture is not always a good thing.

johnnyjeans 1y ago

There is no counter-culture anymore, not really. Society is virtually balkanized.

DrillShopper 1y ago

> Let me be bold: transphobia is counter-culture nowadays No it's not. It's as mainstream as you get. One of the two major parties ran explicitly on a platform of transphobia ("keep men out of women's bathroom", "your daughter is being beaten up in sports by a man"). You can't call it counter-culture anymore.

ethbr1 1y ago
I think it's difficult to label "majority" culture when most things are split 50/50. Counter-culture feels like it requires at least an 80/20 or so.
- krapp 1y ago
  Transphobia has been a majority cultural view throughout every culture based on the Abrahamic religions and their strict patriarchal hierarchies. Even given that the nature of gender roles change over time, and concepts like "homosexuality", "heterosexuality" and "transgender" being modern inventions, transgressing those roles has almost always been taboo.
  - kelipso 1y ago
    Memoryholing the four years of the Biden administration.
    - krapp 1y ago
      No, not really. The "groomer" panic took place during the Biden years, with plenty of states passing anti-trans legislation and banning pro-trans books from libraries. The Biden administration did not reverse the widespread cultural hatred, discrimination and violence against trans people in the US in any meaningful sense. And it's honestly weird that you would think it even could have, given where we are now politically.
      - kelipso 1y ago
        It’s two different cultures, one of which is more dominant, or was during the Biden years. As always, only the dominant culture matters culturally.
        krapp 1y ago
        The premise that during the Biden years transgender culture was the dominant culture in America is just plainly ridiculous, as is the implication that only transgender identity mattered, culturally, during those years. Again, these were the years when transphobia began to mainstream and become codified into legislation and "antiwoke" and "anti-DEI" culture. It was never dominant, it only just started to become visible enough to really piss people off (similar to gay culture in the 1980s.)
        kelipso 1y ago
        Not transgender culture but elite coastal liberal culture.
        rfrey 1y ago
        What would you call the political culture that has replaced it?
        kelipso 1y ago
        I wouldn’t say anything has replaced it yet, more that the Trump admin is trying to do so currently by removing a lot of programs, banning words, purging employees, etc. Whether that will be successful remains to be seen but coastal liberal culture is very dominant and I don’t see it being replaced any time soon. And I guess you could call the other culture conservative culture.
Whoppertime 1y ago
Joe Biden was saying he had the back of Trans people in his State of the Union Address, trans kids especially. His white House was holding Transgender day of visibility and tweeting about transgender issues His Department of Education Secretary was anything but transphobic
arkh 1y ago
The USA is not the whole Western world. And in most of the Western World the main culture accept trans people. They may differ on who can take pills at what age or if the state should pay for surgeries (is it cosmetic, is it vital) but people who'd beat up transgender people for who they are would be shunned. If I watch or read modern cultural product, there are huge chances some character will be officially transgender or the theme will be present (shout-out to wildbow). That's being part of The Culture. So being against it means being against the culture. Culture changes over time thanks to people against the status quo (counter-culture). You may have been counter-culture in your youth but once your cause has been accepted you're not counter-culture anymore. You won: celebrate. A meme is how Rage Against the Machine has been Rage for the Machine for a long time already. Now once you accept you're older, you won, you're for the current status quo you may feel some dread about two things: are you still relevant? (hence why many groups will always try to prove their fight is not won); and: what are parts of the status quo which the new generations of counter culture want to see change (and surely for a good reason). What's the "lobotomy for everyone" of our generation?