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Regardless of date bracketing, I can miss 80's punk and not miss slam dancing. Maybe someone can list some positive internet culture we got from 4chan that I a

Regardless of date bracketing, I can miss 80's punk and not miss slam dancing. Maybe someone can list some positive internet culture we got from 4chan that I am overlooking.

doublerabbit 2y ago
4chan is widely known for /b/ but it had and has much more than /b. /b was always known for its murk. Each chan sub category tended to their own niche community and rivalry was little. /f/ in its hayday was a wonderful creative group for Flash animations and with existent of NewGrounds made the internet fun. It's how I learnt flash and how YTMND came to be.
- throw10920 2y ago
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  - bruhwait 2y ago
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- matheusmoreira 2y ago
  /g/ has a daily programming thread. I remember the SerenityOS developer used to post webm demos there. I remember seeing plenty of cool stuff. Someone on /vr/ once started a thread about SNES homebrew and actually made a /vr/ themed one. I wonder what happened to that guy.
  - vermilingua 2y ago
    /dpt/ was where i did a good deal of my learning during university, and the constant /g/entoo posting taught me far more about Linux than I would have learned on my own or through uni.
    - matheusmoreira 2y ago
      /g/entoomen taught me a lot about Linux too. The desktop and home server threads also have a lot of gold, people put a lot of effort into their systems. There are even Lisp generals. I remember people attempting the advent of code together and posting progress. There was one person who used a lot of Unicode in the source code. Just yesterday I saw a rather interesting discussion about WD HDD internals and possible ways to figure out whether they are SMR drives. Shame this hack cut it short. /tg/ had some seriously good chess players. There's a board for everything. People see 4chan and think everything is /pol/. If anything, it's /a/. People have been arguing over which waifu is best girl for 20 years. 20 years.
  - subjectsigma 2y ago
    If you go look at Andreas’ old videos from 5-6 years ago you can see early versions of Serenity had some sort of shortcut or app specifically for 4chan, with the clover icon and everything. There’s actually a number of projects that started this way though I don’t know of any that grew up to be as charming and interesting as Serenity OS. Katawa Shoujo is one, though I could definitely see people complaining about the games content. The Tox encrypted messenger is one but I’m not sure that ever went anywhere. I think most of them, like Andreas, dropped the association with 4chan pretty soon after the project started to gain real traction.
    - matheusmoreira 2y ago
      I remember seeing maybe two other operating system projects on /g/dpt/, they didn't reach significant maturity but managed to animate some graphics on the screen. I remember seeing a bullet hell game engine written in lisp, I think it was called gnumako or something along those lines. This was around 10 years ago...
- TheAceOfHearts 2y ago
  That reminds me of this classic animation: 4chan city [0]. Which is based on a 2ch animation Nightmare City [1]. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar4WzQ7KHak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar4WzQ7KHak [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjdi7a6L_78 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjdi7a6L_78
1970-01-01 2y ago
This is like saying death metal isn't upbeat music and therefore nothing of value is lost by censoring it. Why does 4chan have to be positive culture to be considered valuable culture?
- danaris 2y ago
  There's a big difference between "upbeat music" and "positive culture". "Positive" in this sense isn't being used to mean "optimistic" or "happy". It's being used to mean "healthy for the world at large". Regardless of whether any of us agree that 4chan was a net-negative, it should be very clear that "music that doesn't have an upbeat sound or themes" is not inherently unhealthy, but "subcultures that are unhealthy for the world at large" definitionally are.
  - 1970-01-01 2y ago
    https://www.4chan.org/ https://www.4chan.org/ You're dismissing the entire site for a handful of events? How is 4chan unhealthy for the world, at large? It was and is a counterculture for discussing life as seen by its members.
    - JKCalhoun 2y ago
      They definitely have a PR issue then. Because of the handful of events, I've never been interested in hanging out there. From some of the comments though, there might have been nice boards I would have enjoyed. HN works for me though. (I can only spread myself so thin.)
      - 14 2y ago
        Yes there definitely have been some bad actors but you can get that anywhere. As a parent I have seen teens on snapchat make fun of a kid and it gets sent to the entire school. It can happen anywhere. And yes there are lots of nice chill parts of 4chan but also some that are questionable to most people's morals. But the freedom to say what you like on 4chan makes it a very powerful site for both good and bad or those who just don't want to risk their identity being know for criticizing politics as one example. Even here on HN you are restricted on what you can say as HN does have a few guidelines. But I do find HN has a pretty good balance with moderation most of the time. The voting system takes care of most of it.
numpad0 2y ago
Are there no big list of memes on 4chan? If you took an intersection of that and list of memes in general, you should be able to derive a list and statistical summary figures for internet culture you've got from 4chan.
subjectsigma 2y ago
I might be giving 4chan too much credit but I think in your analogy it’s more akin to 80’s punk (broad subculture) than slam dancing (specific cultural phenomenon). The way I see it, I lost interest in 4chan because I grew up and became an adult, and so did most of the Internet. We can look back and appreciate our childhood overall while also cringing at the embarrassing parts. 4chan has a lot of both good and bad memories for me and I think the broader Internet as well.
- JKCalhoun 2y ago
  I guess then I'm showing my age. I was already beginning 40 years of age when 4chan became a thing.

Regardless of date bracketing, I can miss 80's punk and not miss slam dancing. Maybe someone can list some positive internet culture we got from 4chan that I am overlooking.

doublerabbit 2y ago

4chan is widely known for /b/ but it had and has much more than /b. /b was always known for its murk. Each chan sub category tended to their own niche community and rivalry was little. /f/ in its hayday was a wonderful creative group for Flash animations and with existent of NewGrounds made the internet fun. It's how I learnt flash and how YTMND came to be.

throw10920 2y ago
[flagged]
- bruhwait 2y ago
  [dead]
matheusmoreira 2y ago
/g/ has a daily programming thread. I remember the SerenityOS developer used to post webm demos there. I remember seeing plenty of cool stuff. Someone on /vr/ once started a thread about SNES homebrew and actually made a /vr/ themed one. I wonder what happened to that guy.
- vermilingua 2y ago
  /dpt/ was where i did a good deal of my learning during university, and the constant /g/entoo posting taught me far more about Linux than I would have learned on my own or through uni.
  - matheusmoreira 2y ago
    /g/entoomen taught me a lot about Linux too. The desktop and home server threads also have a lot of gold, people put a lot of effort into their systems. There are even Lisp generals. I remember people attempting the advent of code together and posting progress. There was one person who used a lot of Unicode in the source code. Just yesterday I saw a rather interesting discussion about WD HDD internals and possible ways to figure out whether they are SMR drives. Shame this hack cut it short. /tg/ had some seriously good chess players. There's a board for everything. People see 4chan and think everything is /pol/. If anything, it's /a/. People have been arguing over which waifu is best girl for 20 years. 20 years.
- subjectsigma 2y ago
  If you go look at Andreas’ old videos from 5-6 years ago you can see early versions of Serenity had some sort of shortcut or app specifically for 4chan, with the clover icon and everything. There’s actually a number of projects that started this way though I don’t know of any that grew up to be as charming and interesting as Serenity OS. Katawa Shoujo is one, though I could definitely see people complaining about the games content. The Tox encrypted messenger is one but I’m not sure that ever went anywhere. I think most of them, like Andreas, dropped the association with 4chan pretty soon after the project started to gain real traction.
  - matheusmoreira 2y ago
    I remember seeing maybe two other operating system projects on /g/dpt/, they didn't reach significant maturity but managed to animate some graphics on the screen. I remember seeing a bullet hell game engine written in lisp, I think it was called gnumako or something along those lines. This was around 10 years ago...
TheAceOfHearts 2y ago
That reminds me of this classic animation: 4chan city [0]. Which is based on a 2ch animation Nightmare City [1]. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar4WzQ7KHak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar4WzQ7KHak [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjdi7a6L_78 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjdi7a6L_78

1970-01-01 2y ago

This is like saying death metal isn't upbeat music and therefore nothing of value is lost by censoring it. Why does 4chan have to be positive culture to be considered valuable culture?

danaris 2y ago
There's a big difference between "upbeat music" and "positive culture". "Positive" in this sense isn't being used to mean "optimistic" or "happy". It's being used to mean "healthy for the world at large". Regardless of whether any of us agree that 4chan was a net-negative, it should be very clear that "music that doesn't have an upbeat sound or themes" is not inherently unhealthy, but "subcultures that are unhealthy for the world at large" definitionally are.
- 1970-01-01 2y ago
  https://www.4chan.org/ https://www.4chan.org/ You're dismissing the entire site for a handful of events? How is 4chan unhealthy for the world, at large? It was and is a counterculture for discussing life as seen by its members.
  - JKCalhoun 2y ago
    They definitely have a PR issue then. Because of the handful of events, I've never been interested in hanging out there. From some of the comments though, there might have been nice boards I would have enjoyed. HN works for me though. (I can only spread myself so thin.)
    - 14 2y ago
      Yes there definitely have been some bad actors but you can get that anywhere. As a parent I have seen teens on snapchat make fun of a kid and it gets sent to the entire school. It can happen anywhere. And yes there are lots of nice chill parts of 4chan but also some that are questionable to most people's morals. But the freedom to say what you like on 4chan makes it a very powerful site for both good and bad or those who just don't want to risk their identity being know for criticizing politics as one example. Even here on HN you are restricted on what you can say as HN does have a few guidelines. But I do find HN has a pretty good balance with moderation most of the time. The voting system takes care of most of it.

numpad0 2y ago

Are there no big list of memes on 4chan? If you took an intersection of that and list of memes in general, you should be able to derive a list and statistical summary figures for internet culture you've got from 4chan.

subjectsigma 2y ago

I might be giving 4chan too much credit but I think in your analogy it’s more akin to 80’s punk (broad subculture) than slam dancing (specific cultural phenomenon). The way I see it, I lost interest in 4chan because I grew up and became an adult, and so did most of the Internet. We can look back and appreciate our childhood overall while also cringing at the embarrassing parts. 4chan has a lot of both good and bad memories for me and I think the broader Internet as well.

JKCalhoun 2y ago
I guess then I'm showing my age. I was already beginning 40 years of age when 4chan became a thing.