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I have to say there are some extremely talented, creative and productive "software artists" or ICs coming out of France. Not sure if that's a French thing (the

I have to say there are some extremely talented, creative and productive "software artists" or ICs coming out of France. Not sure if that's a French thing (the Ecoles or whatever) or something else, but it's noticable.

justin66 2y ago
Can you name some that invite comparison with FB?
- keepamovin 2y ago
  I'd do less comparison and more recognition. Some of these are kind of old or from the past and I'm no expert and the list is very incomplete but: Jean Ichbiah - big contributor to Ada Alain Colmerauer - creator of Prolog Jean-Marie Hullot - iCal, iSync, NeXTSTEP GUI builder, CTO of Applications at Apple in early 2000s Philippe Kahn - founder of Borland, inventor of first camera-phone Olivier Fourdan - creator of Xfce, big contributor to Wayland
  - wavemode 2y ago
    Laurent Gomila - creator of SFML Jean-Baptiste Kempf - creator of VLC
  - _hyn3 2y ago
    Willy Tarreau - creator of HA Proxy
  - fuzztester 2y ago
    Some of the people at INRIA who created Caml and OCaml. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCaml https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCaml Bertrand Meyer, creator of Eiffel. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eiffel_(programming_language) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eiffel_(programming_language...
  - justin66 2y ago
    > I'd do less comparison and more recognition. Not to be overly snarky, but it's a good thing, since none of those people's output is comparable to FB's. The thought there might be another programmer like him was an interesting one to entertain...
    - keepamovin 2y ago
      For sure! But then the output set might be smaller and we need to recognize the good. Statically there’s probably others working in private, not publishing in open.
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ptsneves 2y ago
Bootlin is a French company and they are a major open source contributor. I worked with them and I recommend them. French tech used to have a reputation for Renault old car quality, but I did not see it. Even in Renault and Citroen I came to admire them. On the other hand working with German SE is hard because they are incredibly set on not invented here. My generalisation for whatever it is worth. In general the issue of Europe tech scene is simple: we suck at selling and optimise for resource efficiency(competitive salary means never pay above rate no matter what). Americans optimise for growth and will risk paying for higher so they can amortise costs with growth. On a final note, where I come from there is lots of sneer that France is a dump due to immigration. While that is a point of view, it is definitely true they have also brain drained their colonies and have very capable productive individuals coming from there. Myself I had my master’s tutor from cot-de-Ivoir and in bootlin also worked with top of the shelf engineers that have non francophone names.

justin66 2y ago

Can you name some that invite comparison with FB?

keepamovin 2y ago
I'd do less comparison and more recognition. Some of these are kind of old or from the past and I'm no expert and the list is very incomplete but: Jean Ichbiah - big contributor to Ada Alain Colmerauer - creator of Prolog Jean-Marie Hullot - iCal, iSync, NeXTSTEP GUI builder, CTO of Applications at Apple in early 2000s Philippe Kahn - founder of Borland, inventor of first camera-phone Olivier Fourdan - creator of Xfce, big contributor to Wayland
- wavemode 2y ago
  Laurent Gomila - creator of SFML Jean-Baptiste Kempf - creator of VLC
- _hyn3 2y ago
  Willy Tarreau - creator of HA Proxy
- fuzztester 2y ago
  Some of the people at INRIA who created Caml and OCaml. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCaml https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCaml Bertrand Meyer, creator of Eiffel. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eiffel_(programming_language) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eiffel_(programming_language...
- justin66 2y ago
  > I'd do less comparison and more recognition. Not to be overly snarky, but it's a good thing, since none of those people's output is comparable to FB's. The thought there might be another programmer like him was an interesting one to entertain...
  - keepamovin 2y ago
    For sure! But then the output set might be smaller and we need to recognize the good. Statically there’s probably others working in private, not publishing in open.
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ptsneves 2y ago

Bootlin is a French company and they are a major open source contributor. I worked with them and I recommend them. French tech used to have a reputation for Renault old car quality, but I did not see it. Even in Renault and Citroen I came to admire them. On the other hand working with German SE is hard because they are incredibly set on not invented here. My generalisation for whatever it is worth. In general the issue of Europe tech scene is simple: we suck at selling and optimise for resource efficiency(competitive salary means never pay above rate no matter what). Americans optimise for growth and will risk paying for higher so they can amortise costs with growth. On a final note, where I come from there is lots of sneer that France is a dump due to immigration. While that is a point of view, it is definitely true they have also brain drained their colonies and have very capable productive individuals coming from there. Myself I had my master’s tutor from cot-de-Ivoir and in bootlin also worked with top of the shelf engineers that have non francophone names.