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Hello, allow me to weigh into your allegedly subjective discussion with an objective agreement to what the other poster said: > If "oopsy-doopsy, it was a mist

Hello, allow me to weigh into your allegedly subjective discussion with an objective agreement to what the other poster said: > If "oopsy-doopsy, it was a mistake" has no remedy then there is no remedy when it is a citizen who gets sent to a gulag. What's more, now that the executive branch is disobeying direct orders from the judicial branch, what recourse do you think you'd have if you got on the wrong executive branch official's bad side?

OutOfHere 2y ago
In this particular case, I believe the judicial branch is ignoring an agreement with a foreign country to never send anyone back. I truly believe the executive branch to be powerless at this point to undo their mistake. Neither branch holds power over a foreign country. Just admitting the mistake was a positive step, which means they do care at least a little bit to not repeat it. Imagine for a moment that the judicial branch orders the executive branch to get Iran to release some American prisoners. The ruling to return the El Salvadorian is well-intentioned but even more absurd, considering the person is a citizen of El Salvador.
- UncleMeat 2y ago
  > Just admitting the mistake was a positive step, which means they do care at least a little bit to not repeat it. Why is this an appropriate conclusion? Stephen Miller went on TV to say that this man is a terrorist and is in the right place, despite sworn statements from the solicitor general that this was a mistake. I see absolutely no reason to believe that the Trump administration sees any reason to prevent further errors. > Imagine for a moment that the judicial branch orders the executive branch to get Iran to release some American prisoners. Hey look, a completely different situation. Here the US sent this person to El Salvador and is paying the Salvadoran government to house people we send there. Not even remotely comparable to the Iranian government capturing somebody.
- ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
  Thank you for responding. I realize you have some beliefs and opinions about things, legal and otherwise. I do, too! Indeed, most people have beliefs and opinions about things. The role of the judicial branch, and of each judge, is to listen to all those beliefs and opinions as appropriate, and decide which one is correct, and to make orders as necessary in furtherance of that aim. That has happened, and the administration then disobeyed the orders and asserted that the judges' judgements were invalid (an irrelevant personal judgement, because they are not the judge). So, that's where we're at now. With that in mind, please address the posts to which you replied, specifically, the below 2 points: > If "oopsy-doopsy, it was a mistake" has no remedy then there is no remedy when it is a citizen who gets sent to a gulag. > What's more, now that the executive branch is disobeying direct orders from the judicial branch, what recourse do you think you'd have if you got on the wrong executive branch official's bad side? You're being specifically asked to talk through your options and choices in such scenarios. What would they be? We'll take turns: You play the part of the victim; I'll play the part of the administration; we'll game it out. POV: You're walking down the street and a group of 7 or 8 plainclothes individuals wearing masks surround you, restrain you, and force you into an unmarked vehicle. Maybe one of them says they're a cop, but otherwise they refuse to say anything while they transport you to a foreign gulag. You are not permitted a lawyer, you are not permitted a phone call, and nobody, no family, no lawyers, no judges, not even your local police department, is notified what is happening to you. PERHAPS (it wouldn't change the outcome, but whatever) unbeknownst to you or them, this is a case of mistaken identity. Ready for your turn? Go.
  - OutOfHere 2y ago
    Let me put it this way. If lots of random citizens start getting picked up on the street and get disappeared by sending them permanently and without a trial to the gulag, I will dissolve all my assets and leave the country. It could take me a whole year, but I will do it. During this period, I will minimize attention and travel. The writing will be in the wall, but it's not there yet. US citizens remain unaffected for now.
    - ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
- Volundr 2y ago
  > Just admitting the mistake was a positive step, which means they do care at least a little bit to not repeat it. Huh? They are sending more people even now, and discussing sending US Citizens. Where is the sign they are taking care not to repeat it?

OutOfHere 2y ago

In this particular case, I believe the judicial branch is ignoring an agreement with a foreign country to never send anyone back. I truly believe the executive branch to be powerless at this point to undo their mistake. Neither branch holds power over a foreign country. Just admitting the mistake was a positive step, which means they do care at least a little bit to not repeat it. Imagine for a moment that the judicial branch orders the executive branch to get Iran to release some American prisoners. The ruling to return the El Salvadorian is well-intentioned but even more absurd, considering the person is a citizen of El Salvador.

UncleMeat 2y ago
> Just admitting the mistake was a positive step, which means they do care at least a little bit to not repeat it. Why is this an appropriate conclusion? Stephen Miller went on TV to say that this man is a terrorist and is in the right place, despite sworn statements from the solicitor general that this was a mistake. I see absolutely no reason to believe that the Trump administration sees any reason to prevent further errors. > Imagine for a moment that the judicial branch orders the executive branch to get Iran to release some American prisoners. Hey look, a completely different situation. Here the US sent this person to El Salvador and is paying the Salvadoran government to house people we send there. Not even remotely comparable to the Iranian government capturing somebody.
ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
Thank you for responding. I realize you have some beliefs and opinions about things, legal and otherwise. I do, too! Indeed, most people have beliefs and opinions about things. The role of the judicial branch, and of each judge, is to listen to all those beliefs and opinions as appropriate, and decide which one is correct, and to make orders as necessary in furtherance of that aim. That has happened, and the administration then disobeyed the orders and asserted that the judges' judgements were invalid (an irrelevant personal judgement, because they are not the judge). So, that's where we're at now. With that in mind, please address the posts to which you replied, specifically, the below 2 points: > If "oopsy-doopsy, it was a mistake" has no remedy then there is no remedy when it is a citizen who gets sent to a gulag. > What's more, now that the executive branch is disobeying direct orders from the judicial branch, what recourse do you think you'd have if you got on the wrong executive branch official's bad side? You're being specifically asked to talk through your options and choices in such scenarios. What would they be? We'll take turns: You play the part of the victim; I'll play the part of the administration; we'll game it out. POV: You're walking down the street and a group of 7 or 8 plainclothes individuals wearing masks surround you, restrain you, and force you into an unmarked vehicle. Maybe one of them says they're a cop, but otherwise they refuse to say anything while they transport you to a foreign gulag. You are not permitted a lawyer, you are not permitted a phone call, and nobody, no family, no lawyers, no judges, not even your local police department, is notified what is happening to you. PERHAPS (it wouldn't change the outcome, but whatever) unbeknownst to you or them, this is a case of mistaken identity. Ready for your turn? Go.
- OutOfHere 2y ago
  Let me put it this way. If lots of random citizens start getting picked up on the street and get disappeared by sending them permanently and without a trial to the gulag, I will dissolve all my assets and leave the country. It could take me a whole year, but I will do it. During this period, I will minimize attention and travel. The writing will be in the wall, but it's not there yet. US citizens remain unaffected for now.
  - ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
Volundr 2y ago
> Just admitting the mistake was a positive step, which means they do care at least a little bit to not repeat it. Huh? They are sending more people even now, and discussing sending US Citizens. Where is the sign they are taking care not to repeat it?