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You should really read those articles that you linked instead of ignorantly pointing at them in outrage, against something you clearly never engaged with other

You should really read those articles that you linked instead of ignorantly pointing at them in outrage, against something you clearly never engaged with other than through conservative media. At least read the Nature one, damn. It's directly addressed to people like you, who might think they have issues with this stuff, for reasons. No one is out to cancel theorems or whatever other bullshit. Also those concerns over the freedom of science are rich coming from the party that's actually defunding labs, arresting researchers on ideological grounds and burning books.

ConspiracyFact 2y ago
I read the article. It's dangerous nonsense.
- defrost 2y ago
  Where's the danger? Where's the nonsense in acknowledging the origins of algebra?
  - breppp 2y ago
    It's dangerous because of post colonialism and earlier post structuralism is in its basis. That philosophical school sees truth as being a fantasy and subservient to power. Therefore it is common for an adherent of post-colonialism to believe a statement is true if it was made by a person arbitrarily considered oppressed, while the same logic might be false if made by an 'oppressor'. As this approach makes all science to be political effort before a discovery effort, it was highly successful in the highly political environment of the academics, as it also has highly favorable economical results for its followers. (New departments, ability to religiously outcast the old, new postions) The problem as it reaches the hard sciences, for example the religious sacrifice each ML paper needs to make to the gods of ethics, is that it assaults the very notion of truth by its very essence. It is easy to see why this is highly problematic for mathematics
    - thrance 2y ago
      What? Have you really read the Nature article? You're talking absolute nonsense here. No one is out to redefine mathematics, fuck! You want real politicization of science? Check out the GOP's pomicies. They're the one cutting funding to organization that won't bow to their ideological lines. They're the ones barring access to foreign scientists for having criticized the dear leader online. They're the ones appointing political commissars to overview what's fine or not to work on in labs. 75% of scientists that ever published in Nature are now considering leaving the US [1] from fear of the administration. Is that not a concern to you? [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00938-y https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00938-y
      - breppp 2y ago
        Politicizing the sciences is a huge issue from both sides, and Trump efforts are worrying I currently worry more about the left though, as it is much more powerful in the academics, and actually creates political "science" today
        thrance 2y ago
        ????? Talk to any academic, ask them wether they fear more from blue haired teens or the looming fascist threat that is Trump and his cabinet. You may be surprised by the answer.
        breppp 2y ago
        you asked me though, and that is my opinion
        thrance 2y ago
        Fair enough, I am simply baffled that some people can still believe the threat to science comes from the left in the face of an overwhelming and unprecendented anti-science crusade from the right. Now I wonder what the current administration would need to do for you to change your mind. Behead scientists? They're already detaining them, so that's the next logical step.
- thrance 2y ago
  You're beyond saving then, if basic historical research is "dangerous nonsense". What's the risk there? Discovering a theorem was known at an earlier point in history? Big whoop. Seriously, what's the danger? Be clear. It feels like you peolple are unable to articulate anything more than "thouhtcrime!!". Also, what do you think of the actual threats Trump made to academics? Is it dangerous too or not?

ConspiracyFact 2y ago

I read the article. It's dangerous nonsense.

defrost 2y ago
Where's the danger? Where's the nonsense in acknowledging the origins of algebra?
- breppp 2y ago
  It's dangerous because of post colonialism and earlier post structuralism is in its basis. That philosophical school sees truth as being a fantasy and subservient to power. Therefore it is common for an adherent of post-colonialism to believe a statement is true if it was made by a person arbitrarily considered oppressed, while the same logic might be false if made by an 'oppressor'. As this approach makes all science to be political effort before a discovery effort, it was highly successful in the highly political environment of the academics, as it also has highly favorable economical results for its followers. (New departments, ability to religiously outcast the old, new postions) The problem as it reaches the hard sciences, for example the religious sacrifice each ML paper needs to make to the gods of ethics, is that it assaults the very notion of truth by its very essence. It is easy to see why this is highly problematic for mathematics
  - thrance 2y ago
    What? Have you really read the Nature article? You're talking absolute nonsense here. No one is out to redefine mathematics, fuck! You want real politicization of science? Check out the GOP's pomicies. They're the one cutting funding to organization that won't bow to their ideological lines. They're the ones barring access to foreign scientists for having criticized the dear leader online. They're the ones appointing political commissars to overview what's fine or not to work on in labs. 75% of scientists that ever published in Nature are now considering leaving the US [1] from fear of the administration. Is that not a concern to you? [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00938-y https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00938-y
    - breppp 2y ago
      Politicizing the sciences is a huge issue from both sides, and Trump efforts are worrying I currently worry more about the left though, as it is much more powerful in the academics, and actually creates political "science" today
      - thrance 2y ago
        ????? Talk to any academic, ask them wether they fear more from blue haired teens or the looming fascist threat that is Trump and his cabinet. You may be surprised by the answer.
        breppp 2y ago
        you asked me though, and that is my opinion
        thrance 2y ago
        Fair enough, I am simply baffled that some people can still believe the threat to science comes from the left in the face of an overwhelming and unprecendented anti-science crusade from the right. Now I wonder what the current administration would need to do for you to change your mind. Behead scientists? They're already detaining them, so that's the next logical step.
thrance 2y ago
You're beyond saving then, if basic historical research is "dangerous nonsense". What's the risk there? Discovering a theorem was known at an earlier point in history? Big whoop. Seriously, what's the danger? Be clear. It feels like you peolple are unable to articulate anything more than "thouhtcrime!!". Also, what do you think of the actual threats Trump made to academics? Is it dangerous too or not?