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Bernie Sanders put it best: "open borders is a Koch Bros scheme" You saturate the labor market with workers, it depresses wages, plain and simple. It's in the

by surge 1y ago

Bernie Sanders put it best: "open borders is a Koch Bros scheme" You saturate the labor market with workers, it depresses wages, plain and simple. It's in the interests of shareholders to saturate the labor market to increase profits.

wutwutwat 1y ago
Companies exploiting labor to maximize profit is as old as this country itself. Slave labor, child labor, god awful minimum wages, union busting. What's your point? Why is this an issue now when it has always existed?
- surge 1y ago
  The point is we have laws in place to prevent it, unless you're being trafficked and forced to pay off gangs that transported you over the border, and no rights to ability to deal with an abusive situation. The fact that you are okay with the defacto slavery/trafficking because "its always happened" says a lot, and why I generally dismiss these arguments, because at the end of the day, you just want to pay less for things, while you live in the nice part of town.
  - fzeroracer 1y ago
    > The point is we have laws in place to prevent it And the current administration is flagrantly violating and ignoring the laws and the courts of our country. What is the point of laws if they're not followed? What is the point of your argument saying we have laws in place if laws no longer matter?
  - wutwutwat 1y ago
    I didn't say I was ok with anything, don't put words in my mouth. I was asking why the thing that has always existed is a big issue now. For this administration specifically, the thing that has always existed wasn't an issue that demanded these actions the last time they were in office, just 4 short years ago. See what I'm pointing out? There are other reasons that things are being done.
    - gazebo64 1y ago
      >For this administration specifically, the thing that has always existed wasn't an issue that demanded these actions the last time they were in office, just 4 short years ago Immigration and border security were maybe the #1 policy front for Trump in 2016 -- am I missing something here?
      - wutwutwat 1y ago
        Did the things that are happening right now happen back then? That's what I'm asking.
- gazebo64 1y ago
  >Why is this an issue now when it has always existed? Because it's a relatively new phenomenon that the ruling administration enables and advocates for the import of 10 million illegal immigrant laborers.
  - alabastervlog 1y ago
    I hesitate to ask, but... what?

by surge 1y ago

wutwutwat 1y ago

Companies exploiting labor to maximize profit is as old as this country itself. Slave labor, child labor, god awful minimum wages, union busting. What's your point? Why is this an issue now when it has always existed?

surge 1y ago
The point is we have laws in place to prevent it, unless you're being trafficked and forced to pay off gangs that transported you over the border, and no rights to ability to deal with an abusive situation. The fact that you are okay with the defacto slavery/trafficking because "its always happened" says a lot, and why I generally dismiss these arguments, because at the end of the day, you just want to pay less for things, while you live in the nice part of town.
- fzeroracer 1y ago
  > The point is we have laws in place to prevent it And the current administration is flagrantly violating and ignoring the laws and the courts of our country. What is the point of laws if they're not followed? What is the point of your argument saying we have laws in place if laws no longer matter?
- wutwutwat 1y ago
  I didn't say I was ok with anything, don't put words in my mouth. I was asking why the thing that has always existed is a big issue now. For this administration specifically, the thing that has always existed wasn't an issue that demanded these actions the last time they were in office, just 4 short years ago. See what I'm pointing out? There are other reasons that things are being done.
  - gazebo64 1y ago
    >For this administration specifically, the thing that has always existed wasn't an issue that demanded these actions the last time they were in office, just 4 short years ago Immigration and border security were maybe the #1 policy front for Trump in 2016 -- am I missing something here?
    - wutwutwat 1y ago
      Did the things that are happening right now happen back then? That's what I'm asking.
gazebo64 1y ago
>Why is this an issue now when it has always existed? Because it's a relatively new phenomenon that the ruling administration enables and advocates for the import of 10 million illegal immigrant laborers.
- alabastervlog 1y ago
  I hesitate to ask, but... what?