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Democrats might want to issue a warning, that should they continue with this - a full embargo against El Salvador will be in order, when they get in power.

tim333 2y ago
The US is paying El Salvador to take the prisoners. Presumably they could just stop paying if they don't want that?
- zzrrt 2y ago
  Abrego Garcia's lawyer has asked the court to withhold payment[1]. They may have already paid it all ($6 million for 300 prisoners for a year); I don't know of a source about any payment schedule. And this is Trump administration paying it, so nobody but Trump or courts probably has legal power to stop paying now. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20250402000938/https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/an-administrative-error-sends-a-man-to-a-salvadoran-prison/682254/ https://web.archive.org/web/20250402000938/https://www.theat...
Terr_ 2y ago
> when they get in power While warning Bukele can't hurt, this qualifier seems a little complacent. It's been almost 3 months since Trump took office, and we're already at the phase where the Republican party is kidnapping people off the streets and throwing them into gulag for the rest of their lives without trial or even the pretense of particular charges. Meanwhile, an unprecedented political purge is firing staff everywhere to make room for the President's personal loyalists, import taxes are being created (and re-re-re-reversed) willy-nilly without the legislature, Trump wants to be able to strip people's citizenship, etc. Unfun fact: It was ~2 months after elections that Hitler's first victims arrived at the Dachau concentration camp.
root_axis 2y ago
That's an empty threat. Trump might not get a 3rd term but it seems pretty clear that Dems are disaffected for the foreseeable future, perhaps permanently.
- TrackerFF 2y ago
  I believe Trump is going to disillusion so many voters with his tariff trainwreck, that it will be nigh on impossible for any republican candidate to win the next election. I also believe that many, far too many US voters care more about what their groceries and consumer goods cost, than the civil rights of their fellow man...and that is what ultimately decides who they'll vote for.
  - root_axis 2y ago
    I think what we're going to see is that republicans won't receive much blame for groceries and consumer good costs rising. I also think outside of extreme events (e.g. COVID) the vast majority of the voting public doesn't really understand how to judge the health of the economy, and instead only defers to the economy as a post-facto rationalization for what they were already leaning towards. The tariff chaos is on everyone's mind right now so it seems as if people genuinely care, but in reality it's just a function of the media attention cycle. By the time the next elections come along, complaining about tariffs is going to be a boring talking point that democrats mistakenly think is a winner, but the public will have already moved on to the next thing.
robocat 2y ago
Stooping: validating that embargoes/tariffs/whatever are valid. I would hope that some group can show a moral path through this mess. Trump is often escalating techniques, and I'm guessing escalating them further is the next step when he's finally deposed.

tim333 2y ago

The US is paying El Salvador to take the prisoners. Presumably they could just stop paying if they don't want that?

zzrrt 2y ago
Abrego Garcia's lawyer has asked the court to withhold payment[1]. They may have already paid it all ($6 million for 300 prisoners for a year); I don't know of a source about any payment schedule. And this is Trump administration paying it, so nobody but Trump or courts probably has legal power to stop paying now. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20250402000938/https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/an-administrative-error-sends-a-man-to-a-salvadoran-prison/682254/ https://web.archive.org/web/20250402000938/https://www.theat...

Terr_ 2y ago

> when they get in power While warning Bukele can't hurt, this qualifier seems a little complacent. It's been almost 3 months since Trump took office, and we're already at the phase where the Republican party is kidnapping people off the streets and throwing them into gulag for the rest of their lives without trial or even the pretense of particular charges. Meanwhile, an unprecedented political purge is firing staff everywhere to make room for the President's personal loyalists, import taxes are being created (and re-re-re-reversed) willy-nilly without the legislature, Trump wants to be able to strip people's citizenship, etc. Unfun fact: It was ~2 months after elections that Hitler's first victims arrived at the Dachau concentration camp.

root_axis 2y ago

That's an empty threat. Trump might not get a 3rd term but it seems pretty clear that Dems are disaffected for the foreseeable future, perhaps permanently.

TrackerFF 2y ago
I believe Trump is going to disillusion so many voters with his tariff trainwreck, that it will be nigh on impossible for any republican candidate to win the next election. I also believe that many, far too many US voters care more about what their groceries and consumer goods cost, than the civil rights of their fellow man...and that is what ultimately decides who they'll vote for.
- root_axis 2y ago
  I think what we're going to see is that republicans won't receive much blame for groceries and consumer good costs rising. I also think outside of extreme events (e.g. COVID) the vast majority of the voting public doesn't really understand how to judge the health of the economy, and instead only defers to the economy as a post-facto rationalization for what they were already leaning towards. The tariff chaos is on everyone's mind right now so it seems as if people genuinely care, but in reality it's just a function of the media attention cycle. By the time the next elections come along, complaining about tariffs is going to be a boring talking point that democrats mistakenly think is a winner, but the public will have already moved on to the next thing.

robocat 2y ago

Stooping: validating that embargoes/tariffs/whatever are valid. I would hope that some group can show a moral path through this mess. Trump is often escalating techniques, and I'm guessing escalating them further is the next step when he's finally deposed.