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I have never been a "woke" person, but Trump really makes me doubt the meritocracy argument. If Trump was a black woman he would never get away with half the th

by enaaem 2y ago

I have never been a "woke" person, but Trump really makes me doubt the meritocracy argument. If Trump was a black woman he would never get away with half the things he is doing now.

overfeed 2y ago
> If Trump was a black woman he would never get away with half the things he is doing now. It sounds like you're aware of the present reality of race and how it impacts how one is treated in America just for being who they are. > I have never been a "woke" person I have news for you! Edit: to be clear, I'm certain you don't match the the adversarially bastardized caricature of what a "woke person" is, but it sounds like match the original, well-meaning definition.
baked_beanz 2y ago
You have come to the realization that systemic racism exists, and it grants privileges to the dominant socioeconomic groups. Congratulations, you are now "woke"! That's what the term originally meant, before it was turned into a strawman for "anything I don't like" by the conservative media machine and weaponized to divide people.
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insane_dreamer 2y ago
> If Trump was a black woman he would never get away with half the things he is doing now If Trump were a black woman (or man), he would have never survived the release of the Hollywood Access tape and therefore would have never gotten elected.
- koolba 2y ago
  Yes a black man can only (politically) get away with something less risque like smoking crack cocaine on video during an FBI sting: https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/local/fbi-video-of-undercover-sting-on-marion-barry/2014/11/23/e1e35f00-7336-11e4-95a8-fe0b46e8751a_video.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/local/fbi-video-of-unde... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Barry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Barry
  - insane_dreamer 2y ago
    Pretty bad false equivalency. Barry was barred from running and went to federal prison. Yes, he was eligible to run (and was re-elected) but only _after_ he served his sentence. Did I miss the part where Trump went to jail? You also can't compare a mayoral election with a presidential one.
    - koolba 2y ago
      > Pretty bad false equivalency. Barry was barred from running and went to federal prison. Yes, he was eligible to run (and was re-elected) but only _after_ he served his sentence. Did I miss the part where Trump went to jail? Nope. Though you also missed the part where the manufacturing of "felony" charges was so novel they had never been attempted before. The closest parallel is probably the case of John Edwards who was acquitted: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/us/edwards-jury-returns-not-guilty-verdict-on-one-count.html https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/us/edwards-jury-returns-n... But you probably think it's because he was also a white man and not because there was no criminal act. I'm curious if you can even sum up what exactly was the felony that Trump was convicted, or even better, who's the victim? Because all I saw was an overzealous DA in NY with utter disregard for the actual law. > You also can't compare a mayoral election with a presidential one. Yes. And clearly people of DC would rather elect a Democrat crackhead over any Republican.
      - insane_dreamer 2y ago
        You're on to a different argument now. My point was about surviving scandals as a candidate. Trump survived the Hollywood Access tape, where it would have buried most candidates. Your example was "whatabout Barry" -- but they're not comparable (and Barry did not survive his scandal, but went to jail).
        koolba 2y ago
        Why would you expect Trump to go to jail for a manufactured felony charge? Even if it was a legitimate case, the sentencing guidelines would not have recommended jail time.
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mtalantikite 2y ago
As others have pointed out to you, "woke" is just from AAVE, meaning to be awake to the racial prejudices and social injustices of the world. Leadbelly used it at the end of his "Scottsboro Boys" [1] in 1938, and it likely was in use many years before that. Erykah Badu's "Master Teacher" also uses it prominently, which probably helped bring it out of AAVE into more mainstream use [2]. Anyway, that's all to say I find it sad and funny that people are all up in arms about being "woke" these days. It's like stating "I'd prefer to be ignorant". [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrXfkPViFIE&t=249s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrXfkPViFIE&t=249s [2] whole song is great, but I forgot about this second section of the song: https://youtu.be/Dieo6bp4zQw?si=fCPJpWIbQV_g5yx3&t=203 https://youtu.be/Dieo6bp4zQw?si=fCPJpWIbQV_g5yx3&t=203
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- nailer 2y ago
  > "woke" is just from AAVE, meaning to be awake to the racial prejudices and social injustices of the world. Yes, and the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is a democracy that serves the people of Korea. Sometimes expressions have meaning beyond what advocates for the related concepts claim. For example, as I’m sure you are aware, ‘woke’ viewpoints repeatedly advocate for racial discrimination in American universities.
  - kelnos 2y ago
    Lately it feels like "woke" in political discourse just means "anything Republicans don't like". What a waste of an otherwise useful term.
    - nsingh2 2y ago
      I don't recall the term "woke" being all that useful. I really only started noticing it as a right-wing pejorative, often times being used by straight up racists, and to lesser extent by people pointing out performative solidarity, and this is not a recent thing either. The meaning of "woke" changes depending on the person saying it, and the one listening, which makes it hard to tell what the person is _really_ trying to say. Edit: Apparently it was recently popularized by BLM activists, but then took on a different meaning [1]. So it seems ambiguous, which to me makes it not that useful. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke
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by enaaem 2y ago

I have never been a "woke" person, but Trump really makes me doubt the meritocracy argument. If Trump was a black woman he would never get away with half the things he is doing now.

overfeed 2y ago

> If Trump was a black woman he would never get away with half the things he is doing now. It sounds like you're aware of the present reality of race and how it impacts how one is treated in America just for being who they are. > I have never been a "woke" person I have news for you! Edit: to be clear, I'm certain you don't match the the adversarially bastardized caricature of what a "woke person" is, but it sounds like match the original, well-meaning definition.

baked_beanz 2y ago

You have come to the realization that systemic racism exists, and it grants privileges to the dominant socioeconomic groups. Congratulations, you are now "woke"! That's what the term originally meant, before it was turned into a strawman for "anything I don't like" by the conservative media machine and weaponized to divide people.

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insane_dreamer 2y ago

> If Trump was a black woman he would never get away with half the things he is doing now If Trump were a black woman (or man), he would have never survived the release of the Hollywood Access tape and therefore would have never gotten elected.

koolba 2y ago
Yes a black man can only (politically) get away with something less risque like smoking crack cocaine on video during an FBI sting: https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/local/fbi-video-of-undercover-sting-on-marion-barry/2014/11/23/e1e35f00-7336-11e4-95a8-fe0b46e8751a_video.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/local/fbi-video-of-unde... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Barry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Barry
- insane_dreamer 2y ago
  Pretty bad false equivalency. Barry was barred from running and went to federal prison. Yes, he was eligible to run (and was re-elected) but only _after_ he served his sentence. Did I miss the part where Trump went to jail? You also can't compare a mayoral election with a presidential one.
  - koolba 2y ago
    > Pretty bad false equivalency. Barry was barred from running and went to federal prison. Yes, he was eligible to run (and was re-elected) but only _after_ he served his sentence. Did I miss the part where Trump went to jail? Nope. Though you also missed the part where the manufacturing of "felony" charges was so novel they had never been attempted before. The closest parallel is probably the case of John Edwards who was acquitted: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/us/edwards-jury-returns-not-guilty-verdict-on-one-count.html https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/us/edwards-jury-returns-n... But you probably think it's because he was also a white man and not because there was no criminal act. I'm curious if you can even sum up what exactly was the felony that Trump was convicted, or even better, who's the victim? Because all I saw was an overzealous DA in NY with utter disregard for the actual law. > You also can't compare a mayoral election with a presidential one. Yes. And clearly people of DC would rather elect a Democrat crackhead over any Republican.
    - insane_dreamer 2y ago
      You're on to a different argument now. My point was about surviving scandals as a candidate. Trump survived the Hollywood Access tape, where it would have buried most candidates. Your example was "whatabout Barry" -- but they're not comparable (and Barry did not survive his scandal, but went to jail).
      - koolba 2y ago
        Why would you expect Trump to go to jail for a manufactured felony charge? Even if it was a legitimate case, the sentencing guidelines would not have recommended jail time.

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mtalantikite 2y ago

As others have pointed out to you, "woke" is just from AAVE, meaning to be awake to the racial prejudices and social injustices of the world. Leadbelly used it at the end of his "Scottsboro Boys" [1] in 1938, and it likely was in use many years before that. Erykah Badu's "Master Teacher" also uses it prominently, which probably helped bring it out of AAVE into more mainstream use [2]. Anyway, that's all to say I find it sad and funny that people are all up in arms about being "woke" these days. It's like stating "I'd prefer to be ignorant". [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrXfkPViFIE&t=249s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrXfkPViFIE&t=249s [2] whole song is great, but I forgot about this second section of the song: https://youtu.be/Dieo6bp4zQw?si=fCPJpWIbQV_g5yx3&t=203 https://youtu.be/Dieo6bp4zQw?si=fCPJpWIbQV_g5yx3&t=203

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nailer 2y ago
> "woke" is just from AAVE, meaning to be awake to the racial prejudices and social injustices of the world. Yes, and the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is a democracy that serves the people of Korea. Sometimes expressions have meaning beyond what advocates for the related concepts claim. For example, as I’m sure you are aware, ‘woke’ viewpoints repeatedly advocate for racial discrimination in American universities.
- kelnos 2y ago
  Lately it feels like "woke" in political discourse just means "anything Republicans don't like". What a waste of an otherwise useful term.
  - nsingh2 2y ago
    I don't recall the term "woke" being all that useful. I really only started noticing it as a right-wing pejorative, often times being used by straight up racists, and to lesser extent by people pointing out performative solidarity, and this is not a recent thing either. The meaning of "woke" changes depending on the person saying it, and the one listening, which makes it hard to tell what the person is _really_ trying to say. Edit: Apparently it was recently popularized by BLM activists, but then took on a different meaning [1]. So it seems ambiguous, which to me makes it not that useful. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke

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